ZMA info for those who are interested

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  1. Marix

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    ZMA DOES work.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16648790&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=16648789
    HOWEVER. Look at the dosage. They used 3mg zinc per kg body weight every day for a period of weeks.

    Most ZMA products only contain around 30mg of zinc.. so unless you weigh 10kg, it probably not going to do very much. For a 180lb (81kg) guy he would need 243mg zinc or a whopping 8 ZMA tablets per day. A 200lb guy would need 10 tabs a day. That means the pack of 60 tabs for £15 is going to last you only 6 days... not good value IMO.

    It would be much simpler to buy zinc by itself and avoid the ZMA crap. In those studies they didn't give B6 for better absorption or anything else - they just gave straightforward zinc suplhate, and it worked.

    With a little googling I found you can buy 360 15mg tablets for £5. Even at 240mg a day, it would last you for around 3 weeks, and it's a HELL of a lot cheaper than buying ZMA from any of the supplement companies.

    You can add in the other stuff like the B6 if you want. They're also much cheaper if you buy them separately.

    I hope this was useful to anyone who was considering buying ZMA.
     
  2. Devil

    Devil I have become my terror. OT Supporter

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    god damn i'd have to take 17 a day?
     
  3. Marix

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    How much do you weigh? Almost 300? :eek3:
     
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    Devil I have become my terror. OT Supporter

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    no :o, im hovering at around 250 as of late. still would be in the 14-17 range i think
     
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    don't they also cause peter north cumshots?
     
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    http://www.acu-cell.com/znk.html

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    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodnatur/applications/licen-prod/monograph/mono_zinc_e.html

    http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=115
     
  7. Marix

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    Yes, I'm aware of all of those symptoms but they did it in the trial and it worked. They didn't mention any negative side effects.

    40mg zinc a day isn't going to do anything to your test levels though
     
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    They weren't doing a study on the negative effects, they were doing a study on test levels.

    I wouldn't take 6 times the upper limit of a mineral, but that's just me.
     
  9. Marix

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    True, but I'm sure if their test subjects started crapping out blood and going anaemic, they would have said something.

    Either way, my thread was just meant as a piece of info for anyone considering buying ZMA pills. Thanks for your input anyway :)
     
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    Holy shit.. diplomatic, mature conversation with alternative viewpoints..unpossible. :run:
     
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    Wouldn't a lower dosage still have a positive benefit?
     
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    DatacomGuy is moving to Canada

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    Interesting..
     
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    ZMA is 10x more anabolic than test prop!
     
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    Grabbed some zinc tonight.. 50mg ftw? :hs:

    Got it for improved immune system and sperm volume benefits. :big grin:
     
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    so basically if i take a shitload of zinc it will increase my test, but then i'd die?
     
  20. Marix

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    Lol, I dont think you will die. Like I said - even though the study wasn't about adverse effects, if the subjects started puking and crapping blood, i'm sure they would have said something. The conclusions wouldn't be "zinc supplementation has benefits for performance athletes" if the doses required made you anaemic.

    Zinc Sulphate (or sulfate) f
    orumla is ZnSO4 7H2O. I can't be bothered to work ou the proportions, but you're not getting anywhere near 1mg zinc for every mg zinc sulphate.

    My zinc gluconate supplement says that for every 32mg of it, you're getting 4.6mg zinc. So taking 200mg of zinc supplement will give you around 30mg zinc... i.e. safely under the guidelines.

    I think this is right.. anyone want to correct me?
     
  21. Marix

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    I dont know for definite but I imagine it would, but the benefit will be less. The dosage given (3mg/kg) increased the testosterone by a statistically significant degree. Maybe if your dose was less then the difference might not be statistically significant - although it would still be an increase. But in science, if the difference isn't proven statistically, then it is just put down to chance.
     
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    Sorry for the bump, but I'm thinking of getting some Zinc with my 1fast400 10% off coupon..whast a good daily amount to take for general benefits?
     
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    Study 1 was on rats. Its a single study on 30 rats. Interesting, but in no way conclusive.

    Study 2 is on endurance athletes trained to the point of exhaustion. Again, interesting... but we already knew that totally exhausted people benefit from Zinc supplementation from the original study on the marines that launched ZMA as a product.

    Both studies were done in April in... Turkey. For $500, guess who paid for them?

    Interesting that it might work at toxic levels but... just more reason not to buy the stuff. Take a multi-vitamin and forget about it.
     
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    Most vet gear is actually Zinc. But... most people never notice cause Zinc is like teh A-Bombs!
     
  25. cavefish

    cavefish You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one

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    I stack mine with steel cut oats.
     
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