ZFS is in OS X!

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  1. Peyomp

    Peyomp New Member

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    I kinda missed the boat on this one, since its been out a while but OS X 1.5 has ZFS and it kicks ass. I'm gon set me up a USB ZFS mirror for my shit.
     
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    what is it exactly?
     
  4. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    I thought they were going to add it to 10.5, but then decided not to? :confused: Did they add it in an update?
     
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    i think aspects of it are in the server edition... but they want to full implement it in the 10.6 Snow Leopard release...
     
  6. Peyomp

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    YAY SO MUCH FUN...

    When the current limit 16.7 million terabytes is at risk of being breached...
     
  8. Peyomp

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    Actually, its the 'never lose your data' and 'you don't need RAID' thats great. ;)
     
  9. deusexaethera

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    If you still need multiple disks and you still use CPU cycles, then it's a wash, isn't it?

    Does anyone actually use OSX server? Like, companies that don't write all their own software?
     
  10. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    Probably, it's just an overpriced unix box. And how does writing software have anything to do with what server OS companies use?
     
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    ZFS IS cool. I wish/cant wait for free implementations I can use.
     
  12. Peyomp

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    I've been thinking about setting up RAID-Z across multiple EBS volumes and put a gigantor MySQL DB on it and query it.

    Not because I need to. Just because its COOL.
     
  13. Peyomp

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    Remember how you just lost all your data?
     
  14. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    zfs was open sourced back in 2005. I'm not sure if it's been completely ported to linux yet, but you can run it on opensolaris
     
  15. deusexaethera

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    Hard to justify buying servers unless you have software to run on them. If it'll run *nix software out of the box, that's fine; otherwise, the choice of OS is a big problem unless you're willing and able to write your own apps.
     
  16. deusexaethera

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    I didn't lose all my data. I had to transplant the array into another machine long enough to restore the backup I had, I'll give you that, but I never lost a single byte. I didn't lose data because I had a backup, and anyone who thinks that ZFS is going to save them from needing backups is a fool.

    On the other hand, if I were going to do what I did again, only do it with ZFS, then the other machine I had on-hand would have to be running a ZFS-compatible OS before I could restore the backup; with a hardware controller, I just carried the whole shebang downstairs and plugged it in.
     
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    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    what exactly is *nix software?
     
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    Software that runs on *nix.
     
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    Stop complaining about Windows being non-standard. Its not my fault.
     
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    Or maybe you are a fool for swearing by a means of data protection that doesn't work, and rejecting new technology that does? ZFS would have saved your ass, but you're not even interested in new technology. You come across as a dinosaur, and you're just out of school.

    Not good.
     
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    The ZFS license is not GNU friendly. So we can expect it to be the standard (or at least common) on Solaris/OpenSolaris, FreeBSD (and the other variants) and OS X 10.6 but not Linux. There is a non-kernel space implementation, but it will be slow. Its a problem that I hope they work out, but it could take years.

    As a result, you'll probably start seeing home/video/music storage appliances move away from Linux and towards ZFS compatible OSes in the next few years.
     
  22. deusexaethera

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    ZFS isn't standard either. And it doesn't even matter if someone makes an ZFS IFS for Windows, because you still can't install the OS on a striped volume, so I still couldn't replicate what I have now with software.
     
  23. deusexaethera

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    Dinosaur? Doubtful. But I'd rather be overly cautious than overly experimental. I'll switch to ZFS when everyone and their half-cousin adopts it and I can use it everywhere. Until then, it's just another filesystem in a sea of filesystems that all do the same basic shit.
     
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    actually, ZFS is supposed to be ahead of most others. supposedly good performance and very easy to manage. i say supposedly because i don't bother using it even though i work on the OS that it was built for. i'll stick with VxVM for now. :)
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs

    Maybe this will be Linux's game afterall.
    In fact, I'm not surprised. This technical low-level jazz is exactly what gets the Linux programmers hard.
     

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