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  1. clever_username

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    http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Houston_Police_Shooting.html

    Man who attacked Houston police car killed, officer wounded

    HOUSTON — One man was killed and a Houston police officer wounded in a shooting that occurred after the man attacked a police car with a pipe before authorities said he turned on officers.

    The shooting occurred after officers responded to a call from a woman in south Houston who said her son had threatened her with a knife, police spokesman Officer Gabe Ortiz said. The wounded officer was struck by a gunshot fired by another officer. His injury was not life threatening, Ortiz said.

    Family members were outraged by the death, and community activist Quannel X questioned why a critical response team wasn't called to the scene after Steven Guillory's mother called police for help Saturday night.

    "I could have talked him back in the yard, but they wouldn't let me go nowhere near him," Joyce Guillory said outside the family's home Sunday afternoon. She said she told officers to wound him in the leg if they had to shoot him.

    Family members said Guillory, 39, was a paranoid schizophrenic who had been in and out of treatment much of his life. Guillory carried a pipe at least 3 feet long with a chunk of concrete at its base. He refused an order to stop and a shot from a Taser had no effect, said Ortiz.
    Police said Guillory started pummeling the windshield and windows of the patrol car with the pipe, which broke as he hit the car. He threw a piece of the pipe at other officers when they arrived at the scene. Ortiz said Guillory made "threatening statements" when a fifth officer arrived. Quannel X said police had been called to the home numerous times in the past.

    "Why is it they did not call a critical response team immediately, when it came up on their computer they were coming back to the home, the address of a known paranoid schizophrenic," he asked Sunday.
    Police said in a statement Sunday night that there was no opportunity during Saturday night's incident for crisis intervention team members to become involved.

    "While many of our officers are members of the Crisis Intervention Team and received the required training, the events of last night highlight the increasing need for more mental health professionals and earlier intervention prior to police involvement," police said.

    Police said there would be a thorough investigation of the shooting, including the homicide division, internal affairs division and the Harris County District Attorney's Office.



    my opinion: they were justified in shooting the guy, though it could've been handled better. i can see the family making bank off this.
     
  2. JaimeZX

    JaimeZX Formerly of :Sep 2001: fame - Also: Sprout Crew OT Supporter

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    Quannel X
     
  3. t1h

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    :roflw: any relation to malcolm x?
     
  4. Keesh

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    Sorry, but cops cant just shoot to wound someone in the legs. It doesn't work like that.
     
  5. Slick26

    Slick26 Gun|Bike|Cigar|PS3|Beer |Whisky|Night Crew

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    Right, then the family sues for long-term damages and the dude "acts" like he can't walk anymore.... with a huge walloping gimp.
     
  6. JaimeZX

    JaimeZX Formerly of :Sep 2001: fame - Also: Sprout Crew OT Supporter

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    I was hoping every response to this thread would be "Quannel X." :hs:
     
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    Slick26 Gun|Bike|Cigar|PS3|Beer |Whisky|Night Crew

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    Ok then... :rofl: @ Quannel X.
     
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    It almost sounds like a trap. Not saying that's the case, but it sounds like it could be.

    Woman calls the cops on her psycho son, tells the cops to shoot him in the leg but not to kill him... why? So they can file a lawsuit and make some money?

    Hmmm.
     
  10. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Sounds just like the people in our ghettos:
    Bitch about the problem
    Refuse to be part of the solution
    Bitch about the solution
    Demand money
     
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    I can't get Quannel X on DirecTV

    Oh yeah, I view a pipe as a deadly weapon.I would respond appropriately.
     
  12. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    Maybe he's the tenth in a long line of Quannels? :hsughno:
     
  13. thomor25

    thomor25 I make money online....

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    point is they tased him and it didn't work, they tried non lethal means and it didn't work. Maybe mace/taze
     
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    :rofl:
     
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    Iceburn Made in the USA

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    :werd: All problems in modern society follow this formula.
     
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    I don't see how shooting him in the leg could have done any harm.

    Would have saved the department some negative publicity that is for sure.
     
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    I mean Jesus they shot one of their own while killing a guy with a pipe.
     
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    Just try it while under threat of imminent attack. Just try to override all your training and instinct, which tells you to shoot for center-mass, and instead hit an extremity that moves very quickly.
     
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    i seriously LOL'd at this
     
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    Look granted we both have very limited knowledge of the situation I dont think I would feel proud as a LEO if the best way I could handle a mentally unstable person with a pipe was to kill him and injure another officer.

    I love gun crew but sometimes I get sick of the cookie cutter responses in which everyone deserves to be shot in the head and if you cant wrestle a gun out an armed persons hands your a sheep.

    I am sure you can understand what I am getting at.
     
  21. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    I read he was beating on cars with a metal pipe that had a concrete block on the end of it.

    I have disarmed people worse and I know cops who have too, but the point is, from what was described, he did present an immediate deadly threat, and who among us would want to draw the short stick and get brained trying to wrestle with a guy like that? They attempted to tase him to no avail. :dunno: I think they should be commended for trying to avoid killing him at great risk to themselves.
     
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    If you can shoot someone in the leg you don't need to shoot them. If he posed a real threat to their life a shot to the leg, pinky, big toe, elbow or anywhere else is not an appropriate way to stop a threat. I also think it would be negligent to fire shots that have a very high probability of missing their target.
     
  23. 4fifths

    4fifths God of Bartons

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    Apparently you shoot to hit other officers.
     
  24. D-FENS

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    Well if he's a shitty enough shot that he hit a fellow officer, then how in the fuck do you expect this guy to be able to hit someone in the leg?
     

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