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  1. Thunderbear

    Thunderbear Yggdrasil's Forester.

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  2. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Manual saftey or no manual saftey accidents will still happen if the person is careless...

    Stolen from ARFCOM

    I live in Maricopa County, Arizona, in an apartment complex.

    About eight weeks ago, while administratively loading a .45 caliber 1911 after a dry-fire session, I negligently disharged the weapon. The bullet went down a hallway and through the wall, entering my neighbors apartment approximately 10 feet feet from her. My reaction, at first, was to wonder why my ears were ringing. When I realized what had happened, I cussed a little, put the gun down and went outside to call the police. While on the phone with the dispatcher, I went to my neighbors apartment to make sure she was OK. She was, though quite shaken. I traced the path of the bullet through her wall, down a hallway and over her bed. It appeared to me at the time that the bullet ended up in the parking lot, although it actually fell to the floor in her external storage closet.

    The dispatcher asked me to return to my appartment, which I did. Several minutes later, she told me that I could go outside. I went out and located the police, who were understandably on edge. I showed them my hands and said: "I'm the guy you are looking for." I helped them disarm me and told them where my other guns were. They asked why I had so many. I'm not used to that question; I only have 6. They also told me that dry-firing is stupid.

    They interviewed both of us, took some pictures. I was still quite shaken and they pressed hard, trying to make sure I was telling the truth. Once they were satisfied, the asked me to wait outside with one of the officers. Interestingly, one of the first questions they asked the victim was if she had been playing loud music, or done anything else that would make me want to shoot at her. I guess they have to cover all their bases.

    About an hour after they arriwved, they placed me under arrest for Misconduct with a Weapon, which they were reasonably sure was some sort of misdemeanor. I was transported to the municipal jail by wagon. Before I was placed in the wagon I heard one of the cops say something about "Too bad he can't sit back with a six-pack." I still wish I'd heard more of that conversation.

    I was booked for Endangerment, a Class 6 Felony, and spent the night in the County jail. A little advice. If you freak out in jail, the other guests in your cell will give you shit. Deadpan them and tell them you were in a shooting.

    I was released on my own recognizance at 5 AM to a part of town that I'd never been in, and called a good friend to come get me. I managed to get a little sleep (don't sleep in jail... Don't lay down either) on my buddies couch, then he cleaned out all the weapons in my apartment. I retained a lawyer that same day, and was evicted that night, about 24 hours after the incident.

    I managed to find another apartment that week. In the course of the week I also locked my keys in my vehicle twice, requiring 60 dollars worth of locksmith's service each time, missed my first real date in 2 years, and got shit on by a bird.

    One month after the incident, I was arraigned. Since the state was unsure that they would be able to prove recklessness, a level of mens rea they had to meet with the Endangerment charge, they added a count of Unlawful Discharge, another Class 6 felony. I was now facing 12-36 months in prison.

    Fortunately, a senior member of the prosecutors office became aware of my case at this point, and looked into it. After speaking with the victim, and considering the 16 letters of recommendation from friends and family with 150 years of military experience, he deicided to dismiss it. I had to meet three conditions. I had to pay for all damages, which I'd already done, take a safety class, which is hard to do when you are prohibited from possessing weapons, and pay the victims costs for her cleaining. She wanted to move.

    I met all but the last of these conditions. The problem arose when the victim could not be reached by the prosecutor. He finally became irritated and asked me to send her 150 dollars, her estimated costs. I did this. When she got mthe check, she finally called to say that her actual costs had been less- but since I did not want to vacate the dismissal until I got my money back, I let it go.

    The charges were dismissed at 8:45 this morining. I got a sandwhich and started drafting this for you guys right away.

    If you want to know how much this cost, take the price of an MP-5 (transferrable, of course) and add mags, an LBV, several thousand rounds of ammo and a class. Yeah.

    Lessons learned:
    Don't shoot holes in walls. The victim could have been killed. That was in fact why I was so concerned and called the cops to begin with.

    There are a number of ways to prevent an accident from taking on this kind of severity. If an accident has to happen, take steps to minimize the risk. Submariner has a pretty good setup for dry firing, and it is a good idea to manipulate the weapon into a piece of ballistic armor as well.

    Jail sucks. Be careful, or you might end up learning that the hard way.

    EDIT: I do not need to be reminded that someone could have been killed. Believe me, I know. This post is to remind all of you what the consequences can be. I have had to come to terms with mine already.
     
  3. mvizos

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    The bold part is the very reason I hate reading anything over there. Someone watched too much fucking Oz. I spent 3 days in county. Granted, nowhere as bad as I'm sure arizona is. But still, somehow I was able to get some sleep while I was in there. Without having my shit pushed in.
     
  4. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    That's as bad as the idiots that say their computer is broken because it says "User Error."
     
  5. CString

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    :rofl: @ D.C. officers w/more than 120 ND's in 10 years.
    sounds to me like the training sucks or all these people with ND's are just idiots
     
  6. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    I'm thinking a bit of both
     
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    :bigthumb: probably
     
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    I've spent the day in jail before (long story, but basically someone accused me of something I did not do, and that was enough to arrest me [I had no prior record either] :rolleyes: ) ...

    Anyways, the guys in the holding cell with me (which is where you will stay, not in a real jail, unless you killed or raped someone) were very personable. Were they questionable people? Yea, I got that feeling from some of them. Was I a little girl while there? No. I kept my cool, chatted with these guys, and sat on a concrete bench for 90% of my time. When lunch was delivered, I gave mine to whoever wanted it.. I wasn't hungry, but some of these guys had been there for 3+ days, so by all means, they could have what I didn't want.

    All in all, I learned a few things, made a few "on the spot" acquaintenances, and in general, was just very bored. People who tell horror stories and haven't been sent to a real jail, in which they're put into coveralls & shit, are full of it. Roll your eyes at them, and go on about your business.

    Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, the judge, upon hearing my case, realized it was more than likely bogus, and told me that as long as I was good for a year, he'd throw it out. I didn't even get so much as a speeding ticket, had my charge thrown out, and then expunged that same day it was tossed.
     
  9. Otto

    Otto Who the hell do you think I am!?!?!?!

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    so, if a manual safety is supposed to prevent accidental discharge, what happens when they have another "Brain Fade" and forget to put the safety on?
     
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    i spent a night in jail and had a similar experience. i know a few ppl who've been "state residents" and haven't heard one story of fudge packing. does it happen? yes, but not nearly as often as hollywood would have you believe.
     
  11. mvizos

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    You can go to "real jail" without murdering or raping. I was there, coveralls & all. 1 rapist were in there, 1 dude had put a guy in the hospital with a beating, but mostly it was drug charges for the bulk of the people in there.
     

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