SRS You can overcome depression!

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  1. Spiritus

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    Improve Your Life

    From someone who has been there...

    Table of contents:

    -1. My story (short)... how I developed my numerous disorders of the neurosis. It's a pretty sad story so I wouldn't read it if you are feeling down.

    -2. The story how I overcame moderate to major depression, severe anxiety in three forms, acne, drugs (err not yet), and other stuff in one and a half years!

    -3. Invaluble advice that will inspire you. Quotes from great figures, information I wish I had years ago, tips on how to cope and treat yourself, and much more.



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    1.My story (not that long)
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    I am an 18 year old who has overcome anxiety in three forms (generalized, social, performance) and depression (moderate). I also have extreme ADD which I am working on. I had a complely demolished self image at one point, but now it is strong.

    Last night I couldn't get to sleep and I was having some deep introspective thought. I was thinking about several things... the success I have been having in overcoming my problems, the problems ahead of me, and I really gave deep thought into the causes of these problems.

    Then I thought I should update this thread. If I am improving myself, why not take a little time out of my night to tell everyone how I did it? I mean it could help 1000 people but even if it helped one person it would have been worth it!

    So if you have any problem - ADD, depression, or anxiety, you should find this thread invaluble. And if you suffer from other problems, this information can also help you! Feel free to ask questions or seek help through this thread or PM. I do not mind at all.

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    First I want to tell you about myself, just skip this unless you want to really get a grasp on what I went through.

    A year before my birth there was a horrible plane crash which killed hundreds of young men and left many women widows.

    My father who was in the military was part of the clean up crew. As a mechanic he had not even seen a dead body before. But he and his co-workers and friends had to collect the shredded body parts of men not much younger then themselves. I can't imagine the pain my father went to and as I write this I have this... impossible to describe... feeling of sickness, sadness, horror and empathy for my father.

    The Canadian goverment did absoloutly nothing to comfort or help these men. As a result they all developed extreme post traumatic stress disorder. Many of the mens wives left them because they couldn't cope with it. This caused a lot of suicide.

    My mom said my dad was never the same after that day...

    I was born a year later. I had a happy childhood. Never had too many problems as a child and had good friends. We moved a couple of times until we settled in my 'old town'.

    This is where the problems began. When I became a pre-teen I started getting a little rebelious. This caused conflicts between me and my father. They eventually got worse, resulting in a fear of my father due to the physical abuse\fights we got in. Plenty of broken stuff, blood, scarring verbal fights and even a couple of police visits that had me and my dad locked up at the cop shop.

    It is common for the first son of a PTSD victim to develop depression and anxiety. I beleive this is partly where mine came from. It also spurred issues between me and my father that will never fully be resolved.

    If that isn't great enough, I began developing acne. I mean, really bad acne. The kind that makes you look at a kid and think he's dirty. This drastically damaged my self esteem... during these years I only had a few friends - but they were the best I've ever had.

    By this point I was about to move on to Grade 11. Not very popular but I didn't care. Why? I was moving at the beginning of the year... from a small town where I knew everyone to a large city where I knew no one. Anxiety, depression, a lack of self esteem, acne and a newly formed drug habit were my only companions. Needless to say, I was up shit creek.

    2.And this is where my helpful advice begins!
    How I overcame my many disorders, acne, drug problems, and vastly improved my self image... in 1 and 1\2 years!


    During this year in a half period, I drastically changed. Right now I have completely eliminated my depression, greatly reduced all three anxieties, cured my acne (I'm clear! Yay!), built up my self esteem, and almost totally quit my use of drugs.

    How did I do this? Why don't you let me tell you?

    I was 16-17 around this time. By this time me and my father had gotten pychological help and we resolved most of our issues. It will never be perfect - our relationship I mean. But it's functional and we have forgiven each other... in reality PTSD is to blame, and I hate our goverment for the damage they caused my father.

    I began my recovery with the treatment of my acne. I tried some ineffective antibiotics and eventually went on Accutane. It worked wonders. Extreamly fast results and the only side effects were dry lips and monthly blood tests. If you have bad acne, get on accutane immediatly. It may soon be withdrawn. It's the only thing that works for some people!

    So my acne was history. This made me a lot more self confident despite depression and anxiety. Confident enough to try and attack my other issues! I made an appointment with a pychologist. I have learned some valueble techniques from her that I will tell you in the third section of this post. However I found that she didn't do a whole lot and I gave up after the 8th session.

    I made an appointment with a phychiatrist. Talk therapy didn't work, so I knew this was probally a chemical problem. He put me on Paxil and Ativan.

    Paxil took almost 2 months to work. I was about to begin tapering off it when it started working. Close call.

    At the bottom of this section I discuss SSRI's (happy pills) and benzodiazapines (like valium, ativan, xanax). Read if interested.

    Paxil and Ativan really helped. Paxil removed my depression, and gave me self confidence. Combined with Ativan, shyness and depression were no longer a problem.

    I was still using drugs during this time. I smoked pot every day, and this gave me something in common with people around me.

    Quite soon I had made a circle of friends who smoked pot as much as I did. This is not nessasarily a good thing, because if the only thing you have in common is a drug... you can make some poor friends.

    I did make a lot of good friends. 10 or so people I still talk to frequently even though I stopped my drug habit.

    So at this point I cured acne, killed depression and 3 anxiety disorders, my self confidence was really high and I eventually quit drugs while maintaining some good friends.

    There are still problems in my life. It's a work in progress... it took me 18 years to get where I am and it doesn't change overnight. This is something we all have to accept.

    *on Paxil and SSRI's (happy pills)*

    This drug has gotten a lot of bad hype. I accidently overdosed once and I can see why it can make people whom are sensitive to it suicidal.

    But it works for me. It actually does wonders. What it does is balances your emotions. You tend to be happy and you no longer have negative self thoughts, which boosts self confidence. This in turn reduces anxiety and makes you less shy.

    Paxil is a rather potent SSRI. For less extreme issues, I recommend a less potent drug or a lower dose of this one.

    Also, Effexor may be better for paticular people because it effects two chemicals... seratonin and norephenedrine (adrenaline). If your depression also robs you of your energy and makes your very unmotivated, the adrenaline blocking abilities of Effexor may reduce or remove that problem. It may also help with ADHD.

    SSRI's + MAOI's can kill you. Read, read and read some more. Drugs are powerful.

    Highly important update

    Paxil shitted out on me. I take these pills now to make me depressed. I have no choice because you cannot just stop taking them obviously. I have to taper off them which is what I'm doing. I should have picked up on the apathy and lethargy that ruled my life sooner. Paxil is also a double edged sword.

    *on Ativan and benzodiazapines*

    They work and they work well. They are as effective... no MORE effective then alcohol at reducing anxiety.

    However, there are a double edged sword.

    First, they are physically addicting. As I type this, I am physically addicted to Ativan. If I don't get it, I will be a shaking mess. If you are going to use them on the long term for anxiety, accept that this will happen.

    Second, they become less powerful (in some people) as the duration of use increases. I find this does not hold true for me. If it happens to you, I would recommend tapering off the drug and trying buspar or other anti-anxiety drugs.

    Third, there is abuse potential. I loved to combine pot and ativan. It can't physically hurt you if you abuse it, but it will increase physical addiction to Ativan and may become a addicting. I did it for a year and gave it up easily, but maybe you can't.

    Read, read... and read some more. Drugs are dangerous. Benzos + alcohol can kill you.

    3. Invalueble advice, techniques, and more.

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    "Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my success: my strength lies solely in my tenacity."
    ~ Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)
    French chemist & biologist, discovered micro-organisms

    or a very similar quote i like a little better

    "The key to my strength lies soley in my tenacity" - Hollyfield

    The above quote is basically the key to success in anything. To solve a difficult problem you have to keep on trying. The moment you give up is the moment you fail. Imprint this on your brain like I did, you are going to need it.

    TENACITY is the key to solving your problem

    Also... build slowly enough so you don't discourage yourself. You will get used to the change. Rinse, repeat. Eventually you will be amazed.

    HABIT is something you must abide by. Good habits will give you great things. Combine this with the above paragraph, and the quote above that. The universal key to success!
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    DIET AND EXERSIZE - The long term soloution you've been ignoring!

    No matter what your problem is... there is no quick fix. People are generally lazy, our culture has molded us to be so. This is why depression, anxiety, obesity, and many other disorders are so common in advanced society.

    Since we are products of impulsive behavior based on what will quickly satisfy us, we generally fail in solving our issues. We ignore the roots of our problems and instead try to mask them over.

    Hard, undesirable work rationally produces longer lasting results of better quality, don't you agree?

    This is not to say that you shouldn't take medications. If you had a disease you would obviously take medicine to treat it. Mental illness is the same.

    Now I've read what I'm about to write 100 times and ignored it. And now I'm kicking myself. Don't be me...

    Exercise alone provides psychological and physical benefits. However, if you also adopt a strategy that engages your mind while you exercise, you can get a whole host of psychological benefits fairly quickly. - James Rippe, M.D.

    Exersize and diet are key to your physical and mental health. Many people would not be experiancing the problems they are today if they followed a healthy stone age diet and exersized a couple of times a week.

    Instead, we chose to eat 'food' created by profit driven companies. We sit infront of the idiot box or computer and just accept the fact that we aren't fit.

    It has been proven that this lifestyle increases your chances of getting a disease. You will develop heart problems, diabetes, or other horrible conditions as a result. In the end, the easy effortless lifestyle will cause you much pain and suffering, or was the underlying cause of your mental illness.

    You could have enjoyed healthier, tastier food that improves your bodies chemistry and gives you energy. Food that contains detox chemicals that clean your body and prevent desease.

    Working out would have made you fitter, better looking, and much healthier.

    "Consider your body a high performance race car. What fuel are you going to put in it?" - Bruce Lee

    Have some self respect. Say "I'm not gonna put that shit in my body!". You don't have to go to the gym but do something! It's the best option in the end.

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    Relaxation Techniques that work
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    Muscle Relaxation - Easy and effective

    I want you to slowly close your eyes and tense up every muscle in your face, as hard as you can, over the period of 5 seconds. Then gradually release over 5 seconds. This is effective for the entire body. Keep in mind certain muscles need this done in both directions (hands).

    Notice the difference? Acids build up in muscles causing them to tense up. This technique helps use up these acids. Exersizing is best for this. And the longer your tense and release, the more acids you eliminate.

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    Deep Breathing Technique

    Humans do not breathe correctly. We use only the top portion of our lungs... we used to use all of it.

    In order to breathe correctly, you must inhale slowly and gradually until your lungs are completely filled. At the same rate you must exhale slowly until they are empty. It should take the same amount of time for in\exhale. If you can master this you have a very valueble stress releiving tool.

    If you can train yourself to do this all the time, you will be a very mellow calm person. You will be able to think clear as crystal. I'm working on this :)

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    Visual Imaging Techniques

    When you are in a stressful situation, you should bring images of your favorite places, beautiful serene places where you feel calm and at peace. A tropical island... etc you get the idea. Works pretty good.

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    General techniques for self improvement
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    Hold your head up high. Plain and simple. Posture has been scientifically proven to be linked to self confidence. Sit up strait and hold your head up high, you will feel it.

    Identify those who control you and those you control. Identify the relationships and think hard about it.

    Anger is simply the reaction to a loss of control. Smile at someone who's pissed off at you and they will go ape shit. Take this as you will.

    Never let anyone degrade you or make you think you are wrong, for it is at that time you are in the palm of their hands.

    Never be wrong. Be confident and never retract anything unless you are sure it's incorrect.

    Self Confidence is like a stack of boxes. Take one away and it all falls down. Never insult yourself. Allow your confidence to build and build! This is very important, confidence is key.

    Set goals in your life, make a rational plan that is within your reach and work on reaching those goals one step at a time.

    If you are unmotivated and think you are a loser, you will become a loser. If you can motivate yourself to help yourself, and think you can change... you will change.

    Don't let life slip by you... you will be kicking yourself in the ass for it later.

    more advice to come... please add!

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    Inspirational\Helpful Quotes
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    A journey of 1000 miles begins with the first footstep. - Accient Chinise Proverb

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    Perhaps the most valuable result of all education is the ability to make yourself do the thing you have to do, when it ought to be done, whether you like it or not; it is the first lesson that ought to be learned; and however early a man's training begins, it is probably the last lesson that he learns thoroughly.

    Thomas H. Huxley (1825 - 1895)


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    It seems to me that people have vast potential. Most people can do extraordinary things if they have the confidence or take the risks. Yet most people don't. They sit in front of the telly and treat life as if it goes on forever.

    Philip Adams


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    Only I can change my life. No one can do it for me.

    Carol Burnett (1936 - )


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    Change has a considerable psychological impact on the human mind. To the fearful it is threatening because it means that things may get worse. To the hopeful it is encouraging because things may get better. To the confident it is inspiring because the challenge exists to make things better.

    King Whitney Jr.


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    As I see it every day you do one of two things: build health or produce disease in yourself.

    Adelle Davis


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    Pain (any pain--emotional, physical, mental) has a message. The information it has about our life can be remarkably specific, but it usually falls into one of two categories: "We would be more alive if we did more of this," and, "Life would be more lovely if we did less of that." Once we get the pain's message, and follow its advice, the pain goes away.

    Peter McWilliams, Life 101


    The more severe the pain or illness, the more severe will be the necessary changes. These may involve breaking bad habits, or acquiring some new and better ones.

    Peter McWilliams, Life 101


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    LINKS
    What is depression?
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/depression.cfm

    Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, change negative thoughts into self enchancing ones!
    http://www.soc.hawaii.edu/leonj/409...mbo/report1.htm

    DiscoveryHealth: All about Depression
    http://health.discovery.com/centers...depression.html

    Depression Learning Path. Has a lot of good information.
    http://www.clinical-depression.co.u...ation/signs.htm

    Feeling suicidal? Read this first
    http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/

    Seasonal Depression
    http://www.clevelandclinic.org/heal....asp?index=9293

    St. John's Wort, the herbal alternative for mild\moderate depression
    http://cms.psychologytoday.com/arti...501-000025.html

    Natural Treatments for Depression (online conferance transcript)
    http://www.healthyplace.com/Communi..._treatments.asp

    Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Select...ptake_inhibitor

    Erowid - SSRI's. Plenty of information including experiance reports.
    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ssris/ssris.shtml

    Meds:
    Zoloft: http://www.zoloft.com/
    Paxil: http://www.paxil.com/
    Effexor: http://www.effexorxr.com/
    Wellbutrin: http://www.wellbutrin-xl.com/

    Edit: Even more links taken from another thread of mine. Updated 23\12\04

    Pychological Self Help - http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/

    Stop Procasinating - http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/chap4/chap4r.htm

    Comprehensive Resource that contains a load of info. - http://www.bpdresources.com/otherdisorders.html

    Feeling apathetic, low energy, lack of response to relationships? - http://www.toad.net/%7Earcturus/dd/schizoid.htm

    Tyroid - Can be the underlying cause of many illnesses like depression, anxiety, etc. - http://www.thyroid.ca/Articles/EngE10F.html

    Addicted to the net? - http://www.netaddiction.com/articles/habitforming.htm

    Anxiety Disorder, panic attacks, social anxiety? (use left hand tab) - http://www.algy.com/anxiety/menu.shtml

    Depression basics. - http://www.mhsource.com/depression/overview.html

    Depersonalization. - http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi.../full/157/1/103

    Lyme desease can cause personality changes! - http://www.igenex.com/psychological_effects.htm

    Obsessive Compulsive Disorder - http://www.ocdonline.com/articlephillipson6.htm

    Consistantly negative? Passive-Agressive? - http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/papd.htm#1

    -= MORE GREAT LINKS =-

    Personality Disorders. - http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/overviews.html

    Personality Theories of Famous People. (Jung, Frued, etc) - http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/perscontents.html

    Erowid Mind and Spirit. (meditation, prayer, lucid dreaming, lots of cool stuff) - http://www.erowid.org/spirit/spirit.shtml

    Enjoy the links! :big grin:

    If theres something wrong with a link PM me
     
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  2. Nightshade

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    nice post, buddy!!

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  3. Spiritus

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    Thanks :coold:
     
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    Excellent work!!
     
  5. Excellent Post. Sticky this.
     
  6. civicmon

    civicmon got all my game from the streets of california.

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    agreed.. sticky this.

    I thought about creating a post of links/experiences but you beat me to it.

    Let me add a few things though.

    Find a doctor (or psychaitrist in this case):
    http://my.webmd.com/pages/dir/search.asp?sponsor=&searchType=2

    you can search by location, insurance plan etc.

    information about Bipolar disorder, which is classified as re-occuring depressions and/or "mania" or, overly energized and excited can be found at:
    http://bipolar.about.com/cs/bpbasics/a/menu_whatisbp.htm
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/bipolarmenu.cfm
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?id=DS00356

    Information on all types of meds, written in plain english, with side effects, reaction information etc. can be found at:
    http://crazymeds.org

    Hope this helps someone.
     
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  7. dave steel

    dave steel My Kung Fu is the best.

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    This is good stuff Spiritus, thanks :bigthumb:
     
  8. Spiritus

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    :bowdown:to all the links and I love the crazy meds one :)

    Thanks to everyone for your kind replies :bigthumb:
     
  9. I believe He's talking about the time period in which the Medical Community defines the "collection" of symptoms known as depression in all varieties, not just biological, situational, genetic, or environmental [which all peak in November thru January]. Not only is the seasonal change [Seasonal Affective Disorder] responsible, but the time period is incredible stressful for families with addiction, those who are grieving and have lost something, someone [or experienced divorce, or past abuse]. The Holiday period is also very difficult for children in abusive homes - where addiction flares and co-dependency put them thru the fire. Suicide is very high around the Christmas period.

    At any rate - November thru January are the periods of the year when Depression is most commonly seen in all it's varieties [whatever the trigger or cause of that depression may be].
     
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    I've been suffering with clinical depression since the age of 14 (I'm 3 months shy of 21). It's a simple enough reason why the winter months bring about the deepest depression in people. Whether you suffer from a clinical depression or whether you just don't feel as "up" as usual. The winter is very dark, overcast, and cold. These are simply triggers for pessimism and loneliness (cant spell).

    I HATE winter.
     



  11. I "got it."
     
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  12. It's a very tough time for a lot of people. :(
     
  13. Jobe

    Jobe keke ^_^

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    I'm definitely going to look into this St. John's Wort. It seems like exactly something I'd need. I have all the symptoms... fatigue, low energy and insomnia as a result of depression. Thanks for the info.
     
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    :) more then happy to help.
     
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    Thanks for the links.:hs:
     
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    happy? wow, that's messed up to say in a depression thread...

















    ;)
     

  17. :rofl: @ Sense of Humor. I liked that. We need more of that here in Asylum. :big grin:
     
  18. Spiritus

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    :big grin:
     
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    nice thread.
     
  20. What did he lose? You're actually correct if we were talking about suicide alone. I researched this earlier today, and suicide is highest during the spring and summer, but (1) "Depression peaks during the holiday season, afflicting more than seventeen million Americans, according to the National Mental Health Association." It doesn't matter much though. Spiritus is here to help members and that is what he's doing. :)

    (1)IntelliHealth.com - Holiday Cheer Means Stress For Women [Harvard Medical School Medical Information]
     
  21. Spiritus

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    thanks i appreciate it :bigthumb:
     
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    "UndergroundR32" on AIM, if you ever need someone to talk to.
     
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    Hmmm, Yeah I ts real shitty and unfortunate that ppl go through depression especially when winter rolls around.....it was also said that the suicidal rates are more common and increased over the holidays.....Oh Boooo!

    We all feel that way at some point, BUT GREAT LINKS THERE BUDdy!:big grin:
     
  24. Spiritus

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    no problem, just paving the road in my path
     
  25. Spiritus

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    i'm not done yet :)

    time to call it a night. if anyone has something they'd like to add before its stickied, PM me.
     

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