seriously...this may be a better alternative then some of the methods i've read on this board. lol people are actually juicing and thinking they are cool. The funny thing about it is, i've got a better body then 98 percent of the juicers out there..it promotes a an attitude of sloth and lazyness. "mothafuckas on that muscle enhancer..all i need is some dumbbells and a sandwich." - THE GAME... then another guy recommends diet coke with spelnda. im sitting here thinking..is this an actual fitness forum or did I just stumble upon the Dr. Phil weightloss challenge board? Niggas, get slapped in the face for talking that nonsense in my hood lol. The bottomline is that alot of new lifters come in here and are confused with some of the grandstanding that goes on in here. it takes a big man to admit he was wrong. remember that shit. integrity goes along way. don't hide behind you internet egos. be a man.