GUN Yet another new AR cartridge

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  1. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    First Look: 30 Remington AR, the Newest AR Cartridge For Big Game
    http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/thegunshots/2008/10/first-look-30-r.html
    I’m at a new product seminar being hosted by Remington and its sister companies Marlin, DPMS, Bushmaster and H&R. At this morning’s session we learned about a lot of new items on tap for 2009, one of the most interesting being a cartridge that Remington has developed for big-game hunting with an AR.

    It is called the 30 Remington AR, and as you might have guessed it is a .30-caliber round with the same overall length as a .223, meaning it will function in the R-15 line of rifles, which is much trimmer and lighter than the larger AR-10-sized R-25 rifles.

    The idea behind the product is to give .308 Win. type performance in an AR-15 sized upper. The ballistics charts for the new round show give figures for a 125-gr. round in the 30 Rem. AR—or .30 RAR as I’ll call it here for short—versus a 165-grain bullet in .308 Win. Velocities are about the same for both rounds. The .30 RAR exits at 2,800 fps vs. 2,700 fps for the .308 Win. At 400 yards, the .30 RAR is going 1,816 fps to the .308’s 1,966.

    The big difference is in energy. The .30 RAR in this bullet weight has about 500 ft-lb. less of energy than the 165-gr. .308 at any distance. A substantial amount less and one that will certainly have an effect on game in the field—but how much of a difference we’ll just have to see once we start killing some deer with it.

    The good news here, however, is that AR fans who want a lighter weight rifle in a big-game cartridge have a new option to look at. The R-15 is said to weight about 7.5 pounds, a full pound less than the R-25 in .308 Win.

    I’ll post some pictures and give a bigger report once I get back from the range this afternoon.

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    sounds full of fail to me.
     
  2. chakup

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    I guess a better comparison would be to the 6.8 since they use the same package so to speak. Out hear 6.8 is fine on deer.
     
  3. PanzerAce

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    what ever happened to .45 bushmaster? :mamoru:
     
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    Why not just get a 7.62x39 upper?
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    It's still out there, not a bad round actually.
     
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    It's a shame "Not bad" doesn't apply ot the ACR
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    wat
     
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    cliffs: The Bushmaster ACR/Magpul Masada sucks balls these days.
     
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    .30 RAWR!
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    I hadn't heard that. :wtc:

    What's your source?
     
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    fondling one at SHOT 2008 :dunno:. It was heavy, not very easy to adjust, and the charging handle location was designed by Lucifer himself. On its own it might be good, but if you compare it to similar designs such as the SCAR-L or AR pattern rifles, I really don't see the appeal of it.

    As a note though: It changed a fair bit when bushmaster bought the rights to it, so I don't know how much of the crap was bushmaster's fault, or was the product of the initial design.
     
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    According to Fitzpatrick (the owner of Magpul) in a thread on ARFcom--I asked him about the CH location and some other things--the charging handle was moved forward because there was a problem with people smashing hands and slicing themselves open on optics mounts when the CH was in the old location to the rear.

    He also said that basically all the changes came from Magpul, not Bushmaster, and that Bushmaster's only end of the deal is to mass-produce them, not modify them or alter them.

    Shoulda gotten Noveske/LMT/Bravo Co. to make them though :mamoru:
     
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    my balistic caluculator cannot figure out wtf this .30RAR is suppose to do. It is definately does not seem to be a extended range juju.
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    Have you checked out the Robinson XCR? If so, what do you think in comparison?


    The SIG556 has this problem with Eotechs in particular.
     
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    Unfortunately, I didn't get to fondle one at SHOT (Or if I did, it didn't stand out either good or bad), but I've heard that they are a decent platform. To be honest though, I think that the SCAR-L is a better comparison, since not only do they look the same, they mostly have the same features and same characteristics.
     
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    I've handled the masada, sig556, scar, xcr and shot them all except for the masada. To be honest I don't think any one of them are going to be AR/m-16 killers. They are all really bulky, heavy, swing funny, etc. I think the AR just needs to refine the piston system and go to another caliber like 5.6 grendal.
     
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    agreed, they all fall short in one way or another.

    And I assume you mean the 6.5? I fucking love the specs on that round. My next (and last) two AR builds are going to be in 6.5. One a carbine, the other an uber long range setup.
     
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    i`m going that route aswell.but,one in 6.5.the other in 6.8.
    now which one to build first...
     
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    I actually don't like 6.8, it seems overly limited in utility. Sure, its a 300 yard world and all that, but a 6.5 can do the job just as well, and then you can turn right around and shoot at distances that are usually reserved for .308 and up.
     

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