yes or not to 'back off sets'?

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  1. timberwolf

    timberwolf New Member

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    T-nation (Ian King) says yes as does Hatifield. Bill Starr I've read mention back off sets as well though possibly for different reasons...
    Max-OT on the other hand say no...citing their muscle memory theory....



     
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    After doing Max OT since October, I shudder at the sight of people doing pyramidding :hs:.
     
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    I'm in favor of the drop-off method for both bodybuilding and strength purposes (obviously you'd employ it differently depending on the goal). You just have to make sure your entire program takes the volume into account.
     
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    cavefish You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one

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    I use drop sets every now and then to add a little variety or extra volume into my routine.

    I don't know anything about Max-OT though.
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    from Bryan Haycock (who is 100x more knowledgeable than those AST tards)

     
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    I do something that are pretty much the drop-off sets that ceaze described, i never read about it or knew what they were...just feels like the proper thing to do for me

    I've had good results thus far i think :dunno:
     
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    Leo95SE The OMINOUS one

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    ive done a 20rep squat set after heavy squats a few times, at about 65% of max. it definately burns you out if you werent shot after the heavy lifting. i dont see how this would positively help your workout if you incorporated this weekly though.


    now haycock, above, says "Although you may be doing 20 “total” reps, unless you feel an intense burn during each set, they will not accomplish the same thing as a single drop set. This is usually because the set is too short in duration to elicit any significant accumulation of metabolic by products."

    this sounds like it completely goes against CP and bill starr methods, where the object is to lift to failure on one day but not burn out the muscle with working it too much, b/c you need to recover adequately for the dynamic day. isnt the whole point of heavy days to have short sets to help create static strength? so now youre going to reverse that muscle training you just did for the past 30mins by doing a drop set?
    sounds ultra body-builder ish, which is good, if your bbing.
     
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    ummm hence why i quoted haycock for the bodybuilder folk (he's only interested in muscle growth), and linked 3 articles for those who are strength training, because the application is different depending on your goal (which i already stated above).
     
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    Leo95SE The OMINOUS one

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    i know you did, just stating that i agree, although i was confused as to why wendler incorporates/teaches it..
     
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