GUN XS Sights: Just Say No (todd green)

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  1. Ebtromba

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    oh no he didn't

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    I get asked about XS pistol sights all the time, and keep meaning to write something in-depth about them. But the issue came up at HKPRO again today and my quick response there seemed like a reasonable start:
    I would not recommend the XS sights. Some people have a religious fervor about them which borders on the frightening, but in general here’s the thing to keep in mind:
    • No top-ranked competitive shooter uses them.
    • No military unit in the U.S. uses them.
    • No major LE agency in the U.S. uses them.
    • No major SWAT team in the U.S. uses them.
    [​IMG]If they’re really so great and fast and “instinctive,” why are none of those groups using them?
    In fairness, I’ll admit that I’ve had two students in classes this year who were pretty good with the XS sights on their gun (both managed to score an Advanced rating on the F.A.S.T.). But I’ve watched far more struggle with the XS system in the same time period…
    The main issue is that the rear sight simply does not provide the kind of visual feedback necessary to get acceptable hits under the wide range of circumstances that matter in a practical setting. Their claim to fame is that they’re fast on wide open close targets… but even point shooting is fast on wide open close targets! Everything is. As soon as you start to require tougher shots, the XS sights slow you down more than traditional notch and post sights will.
    Train hard & stay safe! ToddG








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    pretty sure xs are for self defense, not comp
     
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    yet nobody who carries a gun at work, explicitly for shooting at people (i.e. military and LE), uses them.
     
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    I remeber reading an article where a shooter compared big dots to some other sights (maybe sevignys) and the time differences were in the hundredths of a second.
     
  7. I read an article once about lizard-people.
     
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    flawless logic :bowdown:
     
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    I wrote an article once about lizard-people :eek3:
     
  11. What did yours say?
     
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    Bro, it was pretty much a thumbnail of lizard-people history, conceptually similar to Steven Hawking's less visionary but nonetheless more widely read "A Brief History of Time".
     
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    I know you've stated in the past you are issued a G22C, which is not the greatest choice for a duty sidearm. Just saying that M&P often issue firearms and accessories based on other things than speed or practicality.

    That said, I like my Big Dots, I watched my scores improved when I switched to them over standard sights. Is Todd correct that there are better sights out there? Probably, but I have a feeling changing sights again isn't going to speed me up any more. There are plenty of other things limiting my abilities other than sights and I'm only going improved by putting rounds downrange. I guess this is a gear vs training argument. Sure you can buy the stuff the pros are recommending today, but I think taking a class or training is going to be a lot more beneficial than buying a whole bunch of new shit.
     
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    So just because "the elite" guys don't use them, they aren't good for anybody else? I have absolutely no opinion on them, but if they work well for you, why not use them? They are obviously preferred by some judging by how popular they are in the shooting world.
     
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    He isn't the only instructor that isn't a fan of them.

    They're like any other thing. Some like 'em, some don't. Pick what you shoot better with and leave the other guy alone if he doesn't like 'em.
     
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    I wouldn't judge the usability of a certain product simply by how popular they are "in the shooting world."
     
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    I never understood why this was such a huge debate. Reminds me of all the goofy as fuck sling drama on Snipers Hide.

    It's fucking sites.... use what works for you, and if you don't like them spend the $50-60 and get new ones.
     
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    Using government run institutions as an example is a pretty poor way to determine how good something is.

    Often times politics and budget are the deciding factor. Look at how the M14 was chosen back in the late 50's.
    Many LE institutions don't have a very large budget, and their decisions can often be driven by whoever is the lowest bidder.
     
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    i never judged the usability of them. I judged their popularity
     
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    Well no doubt. I used them for awhile on a carry gun, but moved away from them once I started getting more serious about my pistol game for various reasons.

    Personally..... I think the whole argument is just a bunch of "look-at-me" posturing on both sides.
     
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    Actually the WTS were faster in some
     
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    I think that most sights won't mean shit to most people and will have little effect because most people can't shoot for shit.

    Get beyond the point where your skill level is NOT a limiting factor, and suddenly these little "things" like sights make a huge difference.

    Putting racing slicks on a 18 second Civic will make very little difference compared to putting it on a 7 second big block.
     
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    lol, just read your other post, nah, you nailed it, I just didn't read anything beyond page 1.
     

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