MMA Wow. Good find on sherdog. % of fights stopped by cuts

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  1. Optamix

    Optamix New Member

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    Quoted from Sherdog.

    "A few days ago, in a blog out there, somebody clamored, as often happens, for elbows to the head of a downed opponent to be thrown out of the rulebook, because they stop too many fights due to cuts.

    A couple of weeks ago, in one of sherdog's radio shows (can't remember which one), one of the hosts also mentioned this belief, and then said that he and his co-host didn't have any data to support or deny this belief.

    So...finally tired of hearing arguments based on "I think" and "I believe" I decided to go look for the data.

    I went through the results in the fightfinder from UFC 30 to UFC72, with all UFN and TUF finales included, and got the following numbers:

    Events: 58
    Fights: 457
    Stoppages marked as "doctor stoppage" or "cuts": 19

    So...4.15% of the fights between UFC30 and UFC72 have been stopped by a doctor or by cuts. Out of these 19, one for sure was a leg injury (Irvin's busted knee), one was an arm injury (Tim Silvia v. Mir) and I'm sure there are other non-elbow-hit related injuries that I just don't remember and didn't have the video to check out.

    So...let's concede that there's 17 fights stopped from cuts resulting from elbows to the head of a downed opponent. only 3.71% of fights in the last 58 UFC events have been stopped because of cuts done with elbows (remember, this is a supposition, because there's plenty of "doctor stoppage" without a reason in the fightfinder).

    In case anybody is curious, I also pulled out other data for the last 15 UFC PPVs, like knockouts and submissions and so on...you can follow the thread here My posts are under the same nick as here, Vox.

    So...3.71% of fights being stopped this way is enough reason for elbows to be outlawed in MMA? Not in my opinion...what about in yours?"
     
  2. illmatix

    illmatix Diamond Studded Member OT Supporter

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    I don't really think they should be outlawed. But I'd vote to outlaw them before I'd vote to outlaw knees and kicks to a downed opponent. :dunno:
     
  3. Optamix

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    New Jersey is getting close to allowing knees to a downed fighter. Dana White said that if they did they would be holding many more events there to try to persuade the CSAC and NSAC to change their rules.
     
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    I hate elbows as well, its a possible meal-ticket to zero skill fighters. But then again, skilled fighters use them as well, so its pretty much fair game. I think knees to the head should definitely be allowed. Don't know about head stomps though..
     
  5. checkii

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    i think in the past year or two there have only been two stoppages from elbow cuts.
     
  6. illmatix

    illmatix Diamond Studded Member OT Supporter

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    New Jersey OT Meat? :eek3:
     
  7. Antigeek

    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    Who was the guy that Joe Stevenson opened up with an elbow on his head?

    That guy bled like a stuck pig and the ref/doctor didn't stop that fight for the cut.
     
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    Yves edwards and yes the Dr. did stop that fight. It was not impairing vision as much as putting him at risk due to loss of blood.
     
  9. Mountain Dude

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    Great post, I thought about that the other day.
     
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    That fight from TUF4 between Edwin Dewees and some other dude didnt get stopped and that fool was bleeding like fucking crazy. It was just constantly spilling out all over the place, When he had the top position it was just spilling all over the other guys face and shit. Dewees ended up winning it but that shit is way too crazy, it completely changes the fight when both fighters are all slippery and full of blood and both fighters are trying to keep it from getting in their eyes. I don't like seeing fights like that.
     
  11. Antigeek

    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    I thought Joe got the sub?

    The Edwin Dewees fight was crazy. I remember him having top position, holding his face with one hand, and pounding on the guy with the other.
     
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    dengar seans is a afta marchsollwe in his gir! OT Supporter

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    I am praying that the UFC comes back to AC.
     
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    checkii ฝรั่งตาน้ำข้าว

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    I always felt tito ortiz's elbows were perfect for MMA. I personally would like to see a rule of no elbows above the hairline (sorry randy). There is no reason to elbow the top of someone's head, but elbows like tito's are very usefull and practical in MMA.
     
  16. Antigeek

    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    Yea... I looked it up. :hs:
     
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    Maestro Nobones Great Job! - GLAD DADS CREW

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    it''d be retarded to outlaw elbows. most people who say that are just pride sackriders
     
  18. checkii

    checkii ฝรั่งตาน้ำข้าว

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    you have a wonderful point there, but next time post a little less support for your arguement, I get tired of reading so much.
     
  19. HouseLing

    HouseLing When masturbations lost its fun you'r fucking lazy

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    go reread the first post :dunno:
     
  20. 2ofdem

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    I personally think Cuts should be either a NC or if the fights gone long enough it should go to the Judges.
     
  21. Titus

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    elbows have their place. keep them and also allow knees to the head on the ground and i'd be a happy man
     
  22. checkii

    checkii ฝรั่งตาน้ำข้าว

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    the first post wasnt his you rocket sugeon.

    :werd:
     
  23. Antigeek

    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    I fully agree. Headstomps, OTOH, just aren't sporting, and don't exactly take a lot of skill to execute.

    But getting side control and kneeing the opponent's head, or kneeing out of a takedown attempt should be legal, and encouraged.
     
  24. Titus

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    i like headstomps but they don't really have a place here in the US. the sport still has too many critics saying it's basically a streetfight and headstomps would only add fuel to their argument.
     
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    i mean most of the time before it gets that bad you get referee stopage because they arent protecting inteligently
     

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