Discussion in 'On Topic' started by Bloody Sunday, Feb 4, 2009.
look how close he was to that fuckin baby
It looks like the guy turned and ran the second he saw the gun. I wouldn't have taken the shot for that reason. As far as the baby, it was far enough away if a shot did need to be made.
i would not have risked it, especially if he was running away
I wouldn't have. He immediately fled plus when that child starts having headaches or nightmares, for whatever reason, lawyers will be drafting letters.
What happened here? Everything looks normal, but something happens slightly off-camera, which makes the male behind the counter draw his pistol and fire multiple shots. Then he's standing guard while the lady is calling 911?
Better a deaf baby than a dead baby, (or dead me, WTF do I care about someone else's kid's hearing if I'm about to have holes poked into me by a badguy). If there was geniune reason to fear for the safety of everyone there he was acting accordingly. In a previous thread, I asked what good silencers are. I see the error of my ways now. Close quarter shooting with children present!
It seems there are 2 questions here.
1.) Did he need to shoot the fleeing robber? No, as I said in my first post.
2.) If he did need to shoot the robber, was the baby far enough away. Yes, if you need to make the shot, you make the shot. It doesn't matter that a baby was a few feet away. There's a reason you're making the shot.
i'm fairly certain that the only reason why he stood up and moved strong side BEHIND the lady was so he could draw his weapon. i don't think there's anything that prompted him to open fire, besides a BG entering the place and asking for money.
from my observation, everything was meditated from him standing up, to going behind the lady to cover his draw, then to him firing
there's where we disagree. i don't think that the BG was far enough away from the baby. he could have moved into LOS of the baby quite easily if he wasn't fleeing. in fact, if i was a BG, that would be the first thing i would do. i don't think the BG thought the guy would not shoot a fleeing criminal
there's another video of the shooter on youtube with him pointing his glock at the camera with the Nonpoint song "bullet with a name" as background music.
was considered a clean shoot but maybe given the actual vid and the "feel" from his own video that maybe not exactly necessary....
Good shoot. I would have continued to shoot until the perp was out of my sight. He could just have easily popped a couple back off at the guy.
The shooter in the video is on some forums, gunsnet maybe and has talked about it before. I seem to recall him saying the camera angle is deceptive and that the kid was well out of the way of danger, the guy that got shot collapsed outside, now resides in jail with a permanent disability, and he got his glock back.
All this, plus the shooter wore a Got Glock? T-shirt to court. FUCK YEAH.
Additionally, the cam was compressed for wide angle view, woman and kid were farther away from the shooter than it seems.
BG didn't fire any shots. This video is a few years old, it took place here in Columbus. Shooter was a member of ARFCOM and had a long thread about the whole thing. He now (or at least used to) works at one of the local gun shops doing sales.
"Mam why don't you move over here out of his way" would have been my response and then draw from cover using fat bitch as human shield
lol if that kid goes deaf thats your dime
did the badguy have a gun?
Guy saw the gun and fled. Fleeing person = no longer a threat. No.
how do you know he wasn't fleeing outside to draw his weapon, and return inside armed?
If someone is robbing me in a home or business under threat of death, it would seem reasonable to continue to engage them until they are out the door before assuming their intention is to flee the scene.
Were there potential obstructions to his LOF? Yes, but with people standing around, that looked as clean as you could expect. You don't get to announce the range hot in a situation like that.
Shoot looked reasonably good to me. Good use of cover avaliable. Bonus points if he didn't like the fat bitch he worked with. He initally engaged the bad guy when he was away from bystanders. When bad guy charged for the exit the bystanders were "clear enough".
I don't think I would of done it much differently except get twice as much lead on target and he would not of made it to the door.
Except when he gets out the door and turns and blasts you with his gun before he keeps running. Fuck that, he's going down.
He was justified in the shoot. A forcible felony was being comitted and he was in fear of great bodily injury or death.
I probably would have kept my gun up for longer even after he fled the door. For all I know, Tyrone and his boys are coming back in...