GUN Would you be interested in a hammer controlled slide?

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  1. Zombie Pornstar

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    I was sitting in my room and an interesting idea hit me: a semi-automatic handgun in which the slide is racked by operating the hammer. What do you think? You would be able to keep the weapon unchambered during carry and when in the house, and would be able to quickly chamber it if needed. A grip saftey would prevent accidental chambering.
     
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    wtf, how would that work?
     
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    Not sure really. The slide would have to be something other than the common version where the entire top of the gun moves. It would have to be a small internal chamber that was hooked up to the hammer. Pulling back the hammer would snap open the internal chamber, letting one bullet in. After a certain pull distance(or with the touch of a button), it snaps back forward and is ready to shoot semi-automatically.
     
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    so by cocking the hammer (which most pistols dont have anymore) you would also be chambering a round? interesting thought.
     
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    Sounds like a cool idea.

    I wonder if they could design one that didnt cost thousands of dollars.
     
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    only if John M. Browning was still alive.:x:
     
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    I should pitch the idea to someone and see if I can make ~1% royalties or something.
     
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    Hmmmm............a 1911 who's hammer racked the slide as well..............

    :Kicks up AutoCad......:
     
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    In for prototype testing
     
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    interesting concept, but i don't think it'd be good in practice. lots of linkages and movement for a hammer to rack a slide enough to chamer a round from a magazine. seems like to make it work, there'd be too much added that could fail for it to be reliable enough. but, if you do get a prototype going, as stated before, i'd be more than happy to help you test it out. pursue it though, who knows, you may just get it to work well!!!!
     
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    Why not just leave the round chambered and then pull back the hammer when you need it if you're afraid to carry it locked and cocked?
     
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    I think a better mechanism would be something resembling the H&K grip-cocking type thing.

    (I know i'll prolly be classed as an H&K sackrider but you have to admit it's a handy little gun....)

    Also, the amount of movement available on a hammer means that you would have very little leverage on the recoil spring and I think if you attached it to the hammer it would be very difficult to pull back, defeating the simplicity you are after.

    Also, if the hammer cocking chambered a round, wouldn't that defeat the safety of carrying un-chambered? I mean, carrying with the hamer down is pretty safe as it is, but if that makes you feel unsafe then wouldn't the fact that it could be chambered so easily make you feel equally unsafe?

    - oh, and totally IN for reverse engineering of a slide, receiver, etc for CAD'ing up a prototype in solid modelling software! :bigthumb:
     
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    I was thinking the same thing as far as tension on the hammer. It would be a chore to have a hammer racking the slide. If the hammer only chambered a round it would be a different story, but the mechanics of the gun will need to change.

    And the biggest drawback to the P7 cocking mechanism (so i read) is the worry about control of the weapon in a struggle. It is easier to pull a trigger than to squeeze the grip then pull the trigger. Not that much easier, but that little bit could save your or someone else's life.
     
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    Why not just rack the slide to chamber a round as you draw instead of needlessly complicating the mechanism?
     
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    Only advantage I see is that it only involves one hand. Not that you cant rack a slide with one hand, but it wouldn't be as fast and pulling a hammer.
     
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    this is an untterly retarded idea.

    the same thing can be accomplishe by having the slide catch hold the slide open. No way can the gun fire. To ready the weapon, drop the slide release, and ready to rock and roll.
     
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    No need to be an ass. It isn't as though I'm actually trying to build one, it just popped into my head.
     
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    dude, this is OT, thicken that skin up a bit.


    and the reason i say it is retarded, is because there's other alternatives already available. It's like you're trying to complicate something that doesn't need to be complicated.
     
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    actually thinking about it, if you shortened up the barrel a little bit, when you cocked the hammer, if it was tied in to a pivot point, when it pulls back the round could be automatically pushed forward into a chamber that was well forward of the standard ones also

    catch my drift?
     
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    It's not impossible to make happen, but to make it feasible for someone with less than goliath hands you would need a sort of pivoting barrel mechanism like the baretta tomcats, but down. I think this is what jtl is saying ^^
    I don't think you would need to really shorten the barrel though, just make the mechanism a little taller so you would have some room above the trigger for the barrel to pivot down.

    The alternative is to have an internal slide/follower type thing but to keep it back and retained, then when you pull the hammer back it releases the follower to chamber a round.

    Anyway, I'm still not seeing the benefit here myself... I carry a 1911 chambered, cocked and on safe and it doesn't bother me, and I'm even a little paranoid about these things.
     

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