Working out stomache with weights is a bad idea?

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  1. Voltaire

    Voltaire New Member

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    Would you guys recommend doing situps, etc. using weights?

    My friend told me that it's a bad idea b/c eventually when you stop working out all that will turn to fat. truth?
     
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    cavefish You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one

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    Your friend is a fucking idiot.
     
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    lol what the hell kind of reasoning is that? :rofl:
     
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    Alright, we've established he's an idiot. Regarding the first question, should I use weights while doing situps?
     
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    cavefish You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one

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    If you want strong abs.
     
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    It depends on what your physical conditioning is, if you're able to do situps all day long then yes, you should start doing them with weights, among other ab exercises.
     
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    Since we're on the subject already, if I work out stomache should I do lower back as well?

    I've heard that you have to work it out in order to maintain proportion and have a strong "core." the same friend told me that if i don't work out lower back and just hit abs, it will fuck up my back and make it all bent.
     
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    you should workout every muscle unless you're specifically training for a sport.

    Keep all your noob questions in one thread and read the stickies.
     
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    you really need to see a trainer or something. and start reading... a lot
     
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    Stop Listening To Your Friends!
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    If you have lower back problems I wouldn't be doing weighted situps or even bodyweight full range situps. I would stick with McGill curl-ups (progress from beginner to advanced version), side bridges, and prone bridges (pictures below). Most people tend to use their hip flexors as the prime movers when they do weighted situps and leg raises anyway, and think they have strong abs when they really do not.


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    For the prone bridge, bend the elbow so your upper and lower arms make 90-degree angles, and make sure the elbows are placed directly underneath the shoulder. Brace your entire core area and keep your hips up and in-line with your legs and torso. For the side bridge, you'll only be bracing with one arm at a time. "Stack" the feet and keep your body in a straight line. Hold for 1-3 minutes.

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    Ceaze, what is that from? Would you upload the whole thing? :x:

    DURK
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    It's from Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance by Stuart McGill, and no i'm not putting up the entire book :ugh:


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    Ah yeah it's not a ebook. Thanks

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    GuOD mcflurry diet

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    How do I know if I'm using hip flexors vs abs? The next few days after my abs are killing from DOMS or would that happen anyway? I only do 3x10 or so.
     
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    Lie on the ground and fold your arms in front of your body in the "genie" position. Flex the knees and hips to 90 degrees, and then roll your legs up in the air and straighten them (extend the knees) so your legs are perpendicular to your upper body.

    Posteriorly tilt the pelvis and flatten your spine to the ground. While holding this posteriorly tilted position, slowly lower your legs and feet with a tempo that allows them to reach the ground after 10 seconds. If you feel any rounding whatsoever (your low back starts to arch or come off the ground), that's the cutoff point of the test.

    You may want to videotape it or have someone give you feedback to see the angle at which your back arches or comes off the ground.

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    I used to do situps on the decline with a plate on my chest. Seemed to work ok. I havent worked abs in over three months and theyre still doing fine
     
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    GuOD mcflurry diet

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    I saw that on T-nation a few weeks ago. I am pretty sure I can do it but my lower back archs in naturally so it feels really awkward to just lie there and have my back to the floor. I just tried it now and got 5" from parallel before it came up I think.
     
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    ceaze, what're your thoughts on mcgill's opinion that reverse hypers create high posterior shear forces and aren't recommended. (talked to someone about it, ahvn't actualy read his book, so the info may be a lil off).
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    I would avoid them if you have a herniated disc, but for powerlifters and such it's ok


    Here's what Mike Hope said: The reverse hyper is a very good exercise to improve posterior chain strength and is necessary to have a heavy squat. You may try limiting how far the feet come under you. I would limit the arc to the point where you can keep the lordosis. There is no value of rounding your spine. Trying to generate a major contraction of the spinal musculature and hips from the flexed posture is not a good idea.
     
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