SRS Work vs Family

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  1. GregFarz78

    GregFarz78 New Member

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    So work has been pretty busy these last few months which is a good thing in this shit economy but its also a double edge sword b/c we bought a new house a few months back and I can't get shit done on it when I leave for work at 6am and dont get home till 6-7pm. They expect us to kill ourselves and work 20 hours days if necessary to get the job done "whatever it takes". I get paid straight time for overtime and the money is nice but after a few weeks enough is enough I feel like I never have family time anymore, but if I leave my normal time one day I feel like I'm not helping the team b/c other guys are staying here till 9,10,11pm some nights. What do you do when management expects you to live for work? deal with it, find another job? I like it here I just feel its unfair to kill myself b/c some idiot project manager came up with this insane schedule, or the company wont spend the money to upgrade computer to run the software we're using I don't see how thats my problem.

    BTW I work for an engineering firm, this is just pushing me more to get my PE and be self employed as a consultant or something similiar :hs:
     
  2. blackbirdbeatle

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    I wouldn't take it but then again, I've been self-employed most of my life and don't have a large mortgage looming over my head. Family/friends are more important than work. Sounds like the project manager screwed the pooch or really sucks at their job. Most projects go over time and over budget but it shouldn't take all the team working till 9-11pm for the life of the project to get it done. That's shitty planning. And what's more is while you do get overtime, when it's all done, the project lead will probably get a bonus for slave driving you guys that makes your overtime pay seem puny.

    I suppose this is one of those situations where you can't talk to the guy without either getting told no or passive aggressive pressure about how you can leave to see your family but your team is all working late and they don't see their families either and we really need to get this done, and how the economy is bad and you have a great job with overtime, etc...
     
  3. Darketernal

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    I expect managment to hire more temporary workers. It would be great since that would mean you could go home and work on your house, while another jobless person gets a job and gets paid and also can pay the bills. Its insane, there's a ton of jobless people 'even engineers' out there, why is it necessary to put all the load on one shoulder? I mean if overwork was only for a short period of time, no big deal, but since its going on for god knows how long they should man up and hire more new workers.
     
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    This is my major gripe they froze our 401k, raises, and no bonus this year meanwhile they work our asses to the bone and use the economy as an excuse "oh be glad you have a job it could be worse" :rolleyes: You rarely see a PM in here after 6pm yet they'll look like the good guy when the project gets done on time. Need to get out of this industry :hs:

    :rofl: they won't do that b/c they don't want to pay benifits, pay a temp service to bring people in, etc
     
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    I'd just let the home (work) stuff go for the time being.
     
  6. BoomBoomBoy

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    If it's short term (1 year or <) I say you do the work. Your family should understand, and benefit from your hard work. At some point in time though, I'd always place my family first.
     
  7. PureEnergy

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    There definitely right. I know like 3-4 people that has been unemployed for over a year. All of them have Master's degree in their field and have been in the work force for almost 10 yrs. When they became unemployed, they apply everywhere for in their fields, now they're applying to all entry level position in any fields.

    Before I got layed off in my job they did not give any bonuses, raises last year and they announce in the beginning of this year that they were going to do the same.
     
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    My office has been having an ongoing staffing issue for the last 6 months, so I feel your pain.

    We are currently short 6 officers, and my department only has an authorized strength of 33. Those 6 positions account for an entire shift, essentially. The brass has finally decided to even it out a bit by shuffling some people around onto different shifts, so that has helped, but officers are working an average of 16 hours of OT per week. Not really a lot, but it basically turns our schedule into 12 hours every day because we work a rotating 4 day week.

    As I said, this has been ongoing for 6 months, and they are now finally starting the hiring process; we will have a few new officers on their own in another 2 months or so. For this timeframe, I'll take the extra money and enjoy it. If this stretches on into the middle of next year though, there is no way in hell I will continue taking the OT. If I had a family, I'd probably never take it.

    Family and friends are WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY more important than work can ever hope to be. Even with my job, which is a pain in the ass to get hired for, I would drop it in a heartbeat with no second thoughts if I was faced with the prospect of picking the job or family/friends.
     
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    Your friends are unemployed for over a year because of their pride. If shit isn't working out within a month or two, it's time to apply for jobs that are 'below' you while you look for something more permanent.
     
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    You should reread my post.
     
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    Yes I read that they are applying for any job now, but I guess you weren't clear on when they started. They were unemployed for over a year and you kind of hinted that finally they are starting to apply for any job, after all this time. I can understand going from a good career to something in the service industry or a little better is a big hit but after a few months wouldn't you just want to work? There is massive turnover in these fields and they take almost anyone in bars, restaurants, hotels, various airport positions, casinos, retail, retail sales on commission, etc...
     
  12. MissKitty

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    How long will this go on for?
    Is the sort term sacrifice worth the financial gain?
    Will doing 6 months of hard work put your family in a better position than they are now?

    We all have our limits and I understand your situation. My husband used to do 90 hour weeks and even now is on call 24/7/365. Sometimes you need to compromise, but at the end of the day sometimes it's just not worth it
     
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    Its over soon hopefully, I mean yeah extra money is nice for a while but we aren't exactly hurting for it either there comes a point where working so much overtime starts to cancel itself out kinda b/c its taxed at a higher rate here in the states so making straight time actually I end up making less than I do per hour during a 40 hour work week :sad2:
     
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    I think family should ALWAYS come first. But sometimes sacrificing time spent with family IS putting your family first. Thats a hard position to be in. Especially if you feel stuck where your at.
     
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    Based on that I think you have had enough and you want your life back. I say go for it. Speak to your wife, let her know how you feel. That way hopefully she won't blame you for stopping the extra money and she understands why
     
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    So are you just on the line of two tax brackets with all this overtime? I thought you got overtime for hours worked over whatever it is in your state. If you work 60hrs straight time then I'd get the hell out, especially if you end up making less. But I don't see how 60hrs a week with 20 or so of those as time and a half is less after taxes than 40 hrs.

    The answer really doesn't matter, I'd tell my project manager that I'd like some days per week where I can leave to see my family, if the project is expected to take a bunch of months to finish. 6 months of no life while you're young to get straight time and get in good with a project manager what doesn't put in the same hours is not worth it. You clearly are unhappy and your work goes down the shitter when you put in too many hours and you're unhappy.
     
  17. Normie

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    First things first.

    Works situations like this can cause havoc on a relationship (trust me I know), Sit your woman down and explain to her what is going on, your feelings about making the extra money and a timeline that YOU BOTH set to stop working like this. Your woman will appreciate the fact that you care enough to include her in your decision making, she will understand the pros and cons of your current situation and she will understand that there is an end to the madness.

    Now, sit back and think of this for a minute. You have a new home, that you wish to work on/fix up. That extra pay will help you finish up those little odds and ends. Set your goals of what you want to finish and approximately how much it will cost you. Only work those crazy hours to finish your projects.

    Now I'll speak from experience here. Once you get close to your objective goal (money and exhaustion) speak to your employer, tell him the additional hours you are working is putting a strain on your home/relationship and you need to work a few months of normal hours to get everything straightened out. This way your boss knows you will work like mad when needed, but will understand that your family life is more important (and he will really understand if he is married) and not break your balls about it...
     
  18. GregFarz78

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    Close to it this year yeah :hs: and I'm salary so technically they don't have to pay us overtime at all but they only do it b/c no one would work for free if they weren't paying OT.

    I did talk to my wife about this and while she isn't thrilled about it (neither am I) I think she understands. But thats a good idea to talk to my boss if this goes on for too long and tell him its putting a strain on my family life.
     
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    At first they were applying for their position and above. This lasted only the first 3 months, this was from Nov 08 till around Jan/feb 09. At the time unemployment was rising, but not as bad as today. From Feb 09 while continuing applying to their respective position and fields, they've also apply to ALL ENTRY LEVEL JOBS which means any position and any fields that you mentioned above and they have not received one call.


    You have to consider if your overqualifiy for a position, then employers will not hire you. Lets say you apply to Mcdonalds, your former position was a Vice President of a corporation for 5 yrs with a MBA, I guarantee Mcdonalds will not consider this applicant because the VP may quit after a few weeks if the VP found the right job. It would be a waste of time for Mcdonalds to consider this applicant. BTW my friend did not apply to Mcdonalds, but I used to know a employer there and they say they will never accept a application is way overqualify. My former bosses also said they would not hire someone that is overqualify for a position.
     
  20. blackbirdbeatle

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    Must be a regional thing. When the economy went to shit here they started hiring educated people for service jobs left and right. Waitstaff, kitchen, hotel staff like night auditors and front desk, retail jobs, etc... Not fast food except store manager level stuff because fast food expanded a ton in the last few years.

    Another thing I bet your friends didn't apply for is secretarial/executive assistant stuff. That is a huge entry point around here for university educated people starting out or getting back on their feet ever since the economy went to shit. It's a really good in. I've also seen friends get jobs because they volunteered full time while applying for jobs. Like 6 or 7 different organizations a week. It's only a matter of time before you meet someone else volunteering that knows of a job opening.
     

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