You know, I just thought of this. Since the threads about seduction and David D or G or whatever his name is, and all the game playing stuff seems to be getting somewhat controversial, or at least starting arguments.... Why don't some of the women posters here on the Vag go find comparable sources on how to seduce/pick up men, and post the strategies? Then we can see how the men react and see if this provides any enlightenment on this issue. I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm being serious. I get the feeling that some of the conflict comes from each side seeing things only one way...it might be helpful to switch sides, so to speak. Just a thought.