Windows 7 updates - detect authentication hacks

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  1. lazarus

    lazarus New Member

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    When I had Vista, there was several updates that were supposed to detect whether the authentication system had been hacked. The description said something about how it detected any software that would attempt to bypass windows authentication.

    Now I have Windows 7, and I don't see any updates for that. Is it because they just aren't there, or have Microsoft just changed the description to something else to trick people in to downloading it?
     
  2. thekraft

    thekraft New Member

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    KB 917033. Avoid it.
     
  3. kimsland

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    Windows 7 still uses Genuine Advantage on individual Security Updates.

    See if your copy of Windows 7 is genuine HERE and HERE


    kb917033 is in relation to Outlook 2007 and SharePoint Services, info HERE
     
  4. lazarus

    lazarus New Member

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    By individual, do you mean every update is capable of detecting none genuine software? Or simply that they still use the method of having an individual update to perform this task?

    I'm not sure what the piracy rules are around here, but I'm sure you can guess my reasons for enquiring.
     
  5. kimsland

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    Piracy is not allowed here, discussed or in support to. (There's a sticky somewhere stating the same)
    edit: Found it: http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=608303

    The Windows 7 updates are the same as Windows Vista
    If you are already genuine activated then it won't show
    If you are not then the individual update will need confirmation before downloading (ie the same!)

    Some non critical updates may not need confirmation of genuine advantage (ie the same again!)

    Oh, also I forgot to attach myself to the thread, so sorry for the delay. I just happened to click here again. I'll attach now ;)

    Edit:

    Windows Activation Technologies (WAT) Read here: http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/ge...vation-technologies-update-for-windows-7.aspx
     
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  6. thekraft

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    My windows vista was fully activated for months, but there was always 2/3 updates sitting there waiting to be downloaded that were supposed to detect authentication bypass :/
     
  8. lazarus

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    ps, I'm not asking how to get around authentication or anything, as I guessed that would be a rule violation, I'm just wondering how it works as I thought it was weird that those updates aren't on the list.
     
  9. kimsland

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    This happens sometimes, I've seen it before.
    Sometimes you need to run the Windows installer cleanup utility to remove the corrupted not installed updates.
    Then download them manually, and install them one at a time.
    I also recommend CCleaner to remove temp files as well



    Windows 7 has had some critical updates already.
    HERE is a list of February updates.
    Looking at > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS10-008 - Critical
    You should have got this?

    edit

    Also read that
     
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  10. Stilgar1973

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    I read a bit about it last month.

    It really isn't doing anything too novel. Microsoft goes out and gets as many cracked and 'free' versions of Windows 7 as they can. They find the hack and then they publish a windows automatic download that looks for the hack.
    Add to that a list of shared keys and they can get a fair percentage of the hacked windows out there.

    It really isn't anything too neat.

    What they are doing that is way too nice is they are giving you a period of time to purchase a legitimate copy. Your PC doesn't just simply stop firing up. You start out by getting messages saying that the Windows 7 isn't genuine and you have X amount of days to purchase it.

    It really isn't too evil.
     
  11. kimsland

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    Unless you're a business
    Or unless you bought a computer with Windows 7 on it ;)

    Then you may be a bit mad, or evil at someone
     
  12. Stilgar1973

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    If you are a business and your computers start turning off without warning then it isn't Microsoft doing it.

    Read up on this, it gives you some sort of notice (30 or 45 days, not sure which) during which you get deluged with messages telling you what is about to happen.
    Besides, if you are getting the messages then you have a PIRATED copy and not a legitimate copy. Either this is something you know about or it is something someone that works for you is pulling over your head. Either way you need to deal with it.

    This is NOT something that happens to legitimate users.

    If you are someone that bought the PC from a private owner... Well you too get the 30 or 45 days warning. During which you can save up money to get the private license, check your receipts and research reporting the private owner to Microsoft (they have a program for such things).

    Yet again, this WILL NOT HAPPEN if you have a legitimate copy of Windows 7.

    The bottom line:
    If you have a paid for copy of Windows 7 NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

    If you THINK you have a legitimate copy but do not YOU ARE GOING TO GET 30 or 45 DAYS TO GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHTENED OUT.

    If you KNOW you don't have a legitimate copy then YOU ARE GOING TO GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO GET ALL ALONG.
     
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    Not true. Legit users can have issues with WGA/WAT. There's always a percentage of users that have problems with the new patches.
     
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    Stilgar1973 New Member

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    Find me some.
     
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    I had WGA issues with a dell system I was fixing for someone I work with, dell oem disc, all original computer, no upgrades to it, and it kept coming up saying it was not genuine.
    MS has a ton of solutions for you if you have a non legit copy of windows, but I couldn't find any help for people who have a legit copy installed on the original PC but WGA is screwed up.

    So that's 1 out of about a thousand computers that I've worked on in my life.
     
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    If we use the 1 out of 1000 as a standard, considering that there are hundreds of millions of Windows users, that means a significant number of (legitimate!) users have problems with WGA. Still, I think the percentage of affected users is actually less than 1:1000, but who knows.
     
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    There is a virus going around that wipes out authentication on XP and Vista. It acts like your OS was never even activated.
     
  20. Hate Crime

    Hate Crime Don't Hate OT Supporter

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    Spyware has been doing that for years.
     
  21. kimsland

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    Yes Download the Windows Installer CleanUp Utility
    Locate KB 971033 and uninstall it.

    Also this thread is about Windows 7, not XP and Vista Activation and spyware.
     
  22. thekraft

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    You don't even need to. You can just go to Program and Features -> View Installed Updates, and uninstall that particular one. You'll have to reactivate Windows, though.
     
  23. kimsland

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    You know I wasn't sure if that one could just be uninstalled normally.
    But why do you need to re-activate Windows after doing this?
     
  24. thekraft

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    I don't know if everyone had the issue, but it's been my experience that WAT deactivates Windows when it's labeled as pirated software.
     

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