Why soy protein supplementation is bad for you

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  1. nonplus

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    are you saying that soy protein gives you bitchies... never heard that.
     
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    keep feeding the propaganda, and ill keep munching on soy patties while looking at my bulging chest
     
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    Soy patties? :mamoru: :mamoru: :greddy:
     
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    whats wrong with soy products?
     
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    who needs girls when you've got your own nice pair of bulging tittays :mamoru:
     
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    Even if you don't believe that article, it really is a shitty protein. Go eat some fucking meat.
     
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    im not going to read the article but lemme guess, theyre talking about phyto-estrogen? and its not a shitty protien, try mixing soy with animal or even whey for a more complete protien source. the most 'complete' protien source doesnt even come from an animal, although that might be hard for you to swallow
     
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    Food Source


    Protein digestibility (%)

    Egg


    97

    Milk and cheese


    97

    Mixed US diet


    96

    Peanut butter


    95

    Meat and fish


    94

    Whole wheat


    86

    Oatmeal


    86

    Soybeans


    78

    Rice


    76







    Btw, pics of your "bulging" chest?
     
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    well isnt this nice to know. not that i eat much of it.
     
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    I've heard the whole eating soy and estrogen is a bunch of bs.
     
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    I love soybean milk in a can by Yeoh's.Asian stuff.But I rarely drink it so...
     
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    and ive heard that jessica alba wants my nuts, but until that happens, ill be staying away from any real amount of soy.
     
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    explains a lot for you
     
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    wow, there are some extreme misconceptions about soy in here.

    first, it is a complete protein that is high in BCAAs and glutamine. second, it is a superior protein as far as digestibility and utilization than whey or milk. third, i have reviewed studies done on older men and babies and both cases found NO hormonal differences in test levels with soy protein diet supplementation.
     
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    According to the National Research Council's "Recommended Dietary Allowances", 10th ed. National Academy Press, 1989, Soybeans have a Protein digestibility (%) of 78 while milk is at 97.

    Is there a difference between the protein digestibility of whole soybeans to soy protein powder?
     
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    :mamoru: PDCAAS and BV suggest otherwise
     
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    ok, the digestability stuff was from a page i was reading about the isolate. if only i could find a reputable company that makes the isolate, i would try it.

    ibfemalesteroidsarefoundinsoy
     
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    check this out, this actually describes the trend i'm seeing in recent studies, that soy may actually increase testosterone by lowering levels of SHBG (serum hormone binding globulin). the isoflavones in soy are converted to phytoestrogens which can block the estrogen receptors!

    http://www.maxsportsmag.com/science/issue12/12s3.htm
     
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    from this page:
    http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/health-nutrition/soy-protein-benefits-use-2.htm

    "From this and other data it seems the phyto-estrogens can lower cholesterol and improve heart disease risk without systemic estrogenic effects (i.e. gyno, bodyfat increases, etc.) that would normally be seen if say the bodybuilder took estrogen pills or from the normal conversion of certain steroids to estrogen. This study is a little more relevant to us humans being it was done with male monkeys which are far more similar animals to people than rats."

    it also goes on to say it has been shown to raise thyroid output which accounts for the increased weight loss.
     
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    i hate to look like a jackass here but i've read enough studies to be convinced it lowers dht...(idiot)
     
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    if soy was as great as you guys seem to think it is i think all asians would be jacked.

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