GUN Why is it you feel the need to carry a loaded gun on you?

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  1. Paulie Walnuts

    Paulie Walnuts Im an agent of chaos

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    Just a topic that I thought we could discuss. I know that it has been discussed in the past but I thought we could bring new opinons pro or con to it.

    I have a CC permit and started carrying last night with an unloaded gun to get a feel for it. It was a bit awakward at first (small of back) but then became more natural.

    A lot of people ask me why I need it or choose to carry. They say that you survived before with out it so why do you need it now.

    What are your thoughts on this and what are your personal reasons for CCing if you choose to?
     
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    footratfunkface New Member

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    self defense. because the added security has no downside that i can see, as long as i'm responsible with the whole deal.
     
  3. Furner

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    you carry because the fact that nothing has happened in the past does not mean that nothing will happen in the future. quite the opposite, there is a greater chance of necessity for CCW as time progresses. An armed nation will not be fucked with by anyone.
     
  4. GlocksRock

    GlocksRock Glock > You

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    I carry because I refuse to become a victim. It is also because I can, and I want to, and if anyone else doesn't like it, tough.
     
  5. Scoob_13

    Scoob_13 Anything is possible, but the odds are astronomica

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    Because I value my life, and the lives of others, and will therefore do everything in my power, legally, to render aid and assist others, as well as myself. If carrying out these actions requires the use of deadly force to stop an imminent danger to the lives of myself and others, so be it. I am not looking forward to taking the lives of others, however if the time comes, I will not hesitate.

    This does not mean that I will play "hero" or "cop" nor does it mean that I will place myself in questionable situations. It also does not mean that the first answer to every questionable situation is my firearm, as the firearm is the last answer.
     
  6. Furner

    Furner New Member

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    No sane person should ever object to an armed society. If you werent armed, wouldnt you like it if your neighbor defended you because you were kind to him?
    My neighbor has been an asshole about my guns, so fat chance that he gets help when SHTF.
     
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    I bounce for escort, for bachelor parties and that kind of thing. I am usually surrounded by a large group of men, 15-60 people, usually all drunk. They could anything from trying to rape my girls, to trying to rob me. If 60 people get pissed off, i can not defend myself against that large of a group. but drunk or not, the second they see a gun, they think twice.

    Also, it is family traditino, my dad has one, my brother has one, now i have one.
     
  8. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Anytime someone asks me why i feel i should carry a gun, i ask why they feel they should wear a seatbelt.

    Just in case.
     
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    because, it's the law :hs:
     
  10. Ichabod Crane

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    Excellent answer.
     
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  12. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Not everywhere.

    Incidentally, there are some places where "it's the law" you have a gun. Just in case. ;)

    Well put Impreza. i'm not quite a verbose at the minute, but well put. :big grin: When you need a gun, you tend to need one rather badly. :wiggle:
     
  13. CHOWBOX

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    I own a cash machine business & carry large sums of money for it. When I don't have the money, the people that make me a target don't know that I don't have any money. I'm always a perceived target. Always packing heatI
     
  14. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    Because a right you do not exercise starts to feel like a privilege.

    I do it to exercise and assert my rights.

    And because, of course, It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    (but self-defense is an added bonus, not my primary reason)
     
  15. Konowl

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    For protection and a sense of security? :rolleyes:

    No wonder your murder rates are stupid. Shoot first ask questions later.
     
  16. Ichabod Crane

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    wow can we be anymore ignorant?
     
  17. Konowl

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    Prove my ignorance wrong before I start throwing around murder rates. How many murders are commited by guns as opposed to other methods? Do you really think a country where all citizens carry around guns is a safer one where citizens do not? I dunno. Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but try to put the shoe on the other foot...
     
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    look at other nations who also have high rates of firearms ownership. there aren't too many remaining, but in most of them, the murder rates are fairly low compared to the US. for some reason, no matter what we do, murder rates are always going to be high. and then, look at nations like the UK where firearms are all but outlawed. still have high murder rates, and really high violent crime rates. firearms do not lead to murder. murderers lead to murder.

    almost all of the violent crimes in the US are committed by a very small percentage of the population. something like 5-7% of the pop. yet, we have a much higher percentage of the population owning firearms. seems to me that most firearms owners are law-abiding citizens. in fact, among registered machine gun owners, there has been only one recorded murder involving a registered machine gun. and it was done by a police officer.
     
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    why would i want to do that? The shoe wont fit properly :slap:
     
  20. Konowl

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    Footratfunkface: Nicely put. Ownership doesn't equate to packing heat though. Ownership up here in Canada per capita actually exceeds the States if I'm not mistaken. But we don't walk around with guns "for our protection" - we don't fucking need them. However you do have very valid points. I mean the capital of Canada has had 8 murders all year - and the population is about a million. I'd like to see some similar numbers from a similar sized city in the States... :)

    Must be something you guys eat... :)
     
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    this is not something i wrote, it's a quote from a smart guy, though, talking about how harrison ford recently bashed concealed carry, and said that it's the cause for the high crime rates in this country:

    There are three basic gun law scenarios in the fifty states. You have (a) no issue; (b) may issue and (c) must issue states.

    (a) In "no issue states" the ordinary citizen just cannot get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. No way, now how. Unless, that is, you're some sort of a hotshot celebrity or a politician or comparable member of high society that always gets special favors from the law.

    (b) In "may issue" the law allows private citizens to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon, but regardless of the outcome of a criminal background and other checks, the final decision as to whether or not to issue the permit is left entirely up to some local official, usually a county sheriff.

    (c) in "shall issue" states once you meet the requirements set forth for a concealed weapons permit the local authorities must issue the permit to you.

    Now ... Ford is so concerned about people with guns. He thinks that these people carrying those concealed weapons "obviously" contribute to the crime rate. Sorry, Harrison Ford, but you missed this one badly. The actual statistics show that violent crime rates are the highest in the "no issue" states and the lowest in the "must issue states." Furthermore, when a state liberalizes its gun laws the records show that the crime rates don't go up, they go down. Criminals do not want their victims to be armed. The more likely it is that their victim is armed the more likely it is that they're going to chose some other means to acquire wealth. In fact, they may actually go out there and get jobs!
     
  22. Konowl

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    :rolleyes:

    That's probably one of the most retarded things I've read in weeks.
     
  23. Konowl

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    Um... it's 8 for the entire city (Ottawa/Hull region. over 1,000,000). Toronto sees about 50 per year if I'm not mistaken - population of 4,500,000. Our murder rates can't TOUCH yours. You think 12 per 100,000 is GOOD?!??!??!?!?!?!

    That's absolutely fucking terrible!
     
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    i'd say that a lot of our crime is drug related. i don't know the figures, but i'd estimate that a large percentage of the violent crimes, including murder, are committed by people in the drug trade, to others involved in such activities. the reason they engage in such drastic measures is that there is so much money to be made from the drug trade, making murder worth it to some fools, when such copious amounts of money are being trasferred.

    what makes the drug bidness so profitable? the fact that it's illegal, which makes supply a bit on the short side. profit margin can be as high as 70,000 percent in some cases, with some drugs. if the "war on drugs" were to cease, soon thereafter, drugs would become like alcohol. murder and violent crime rates would go down. just like prohibition back in the day. and now, look at what's happening with cigarettes in NYC. as soon as prices skyrocketed, people started committing crime to get ahold of cigarettes, because they became so expensive.

    the point is, canada has a more relaxed way of dealing with drugs than does the US, possibly explaining one large portion of our murder and violent crime rates.

    this relates to firearms i promise.
     
  25. Konowl

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    We're talking guns, not medicine.


    Depends on what you compare it to, perhaps. To me it's high. But I don't live in a violent area.

    Kinda my point....



    LOL. So all 12 per 100,000 murders are criminals? LOL!
     

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