MIL Why is every veteran I know a failure at life?

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  1. Changed

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    Not meaning to troll, but in all seriousness: Every veteran I know has a horrible life. My grandfather abused alcohol after coming home from Omaha Beach and liberating the Germans, and eventually had 3 or 4 strokes before he died, basically paralyzed. My co-worker in a restaurant was Army Airborne. He is like 39 and he has been flipping burgers for a winery ever since he left the military. My other grandfather is retired Navy, and is a preacher barely scraping by on government aid. The list goes on and on, all the same story basically.

    Why is this the case?
    What could be a good estimate at the percentage of successful ex-military personell vs. failures?

    I'm asking these questions because I've been considering joining the Marines after college. For some reason I am apprehensive because I look at all these veterans and how they turned out: poor, uneducated, and overall failures at life :dunno:

    Again, not meant to offend anybody or troll. Just looking for answers.
     
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    PTSD keeps them from performing to their full ability after seeing conflict/combat? that's my opinion
     
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    chances are, they didn't have a college degree like you will. and possibly were not aware of vet benefits, which is why we have required seps classes now.
     
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    i believe my dad was 101st airborne in vietnam. and hes an alcoholic by any definition. but ill be goddamned if there isnt a day he doesnt wake me at 4am before he goes to work. all i know about when he was in the army is: hes got tens of thousands of miles clocked on helicopters, he spent nearly 2 years in vietnam where he was the last surviving guy in his platoon, he went awall for a month because he crashed his car up in NY (funny story) he ended up serving 3 or 4 months more than he was supposed to.


    he doesnt really like to talk about it :confused:
     
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    Time for them were different. They didn't have much to fall back onto upon returning home.
     
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    True Story. Back then there wasnt as much support for Separating service members are there is now. Now we have classes and groups that help with the transition and even with job-hunting.

    My brother got out, he's a restaurant owner now ... :dunno:
     
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    This thread is fucking stupid. If you're going to get a fucking college degree you should also at least be capable of doing some critical reading and thinking.
     
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    Because the only vets you pay attention to are failures at life... Maybe if you looked at the rest of the world, you'd see there are a lot more failures who were civilians...
     
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    your grandpa liberated the germans at omaha?! TRAITOR
     
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    My first thought was that this thread needed to be deleted, and you needed to be banned from this subforum. But I reviewed the threads you've made and decided that your question was legit.


    The tendancy to experience depression is hereditary. Mix in some post traumatic stress, and you have a pretty potent coctail. Even a healthy and stable person will have a hard time dealing with some of the things they experience and see while serving in a combat zone. This isn't an indictment of servicemen or the military - it's just a fact of life.
     
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    my thoughts exactly :bigthumb:
     
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    :rofl: you would think so.
     
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    ManinCamo I wear big boy pants.

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    My grandfather served 26 years in the Army through WWII and into Vietnam, he's quite healthy in his mid 80's and lives a comfy life.

    My father served 26 years in the Air Force, served in Desert Storm/Shield, lives quite well as an airline pilot

    my uncle was in the Coast Gaurd, lives a fine and dandy life.

    My other uncle served 3 combat tours in Vietnam with the Marines, had his wife die after having a seisure in a bathtub; works paycheck to paycheck and smokes a bunch. Has had a rough life. Wouldn't call him successful but I wouldn't call him a failure, per-se


    You're searching and picking out who you're paying attention to. Fact is, military mirrors society. You'll have failures on both sides, you'll have grand successes in both.
     
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    at least I'm not the only one who saw that :rofl:
     
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    Allright, well thanks for the majority of mature responses. Again, I wasnt trying to piss people off, instead trying to find answers.

    I guess I have been basing my opinion of veterans on those that live around me, which isnt representative of the whole.

    Basically, if I dont like the military life enough to do 20 years, I would like to use the experience to help propel myself to a post in some gov't agency (FBI, CIA, DEA, etc...)
     
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    Failure at life? That is value projections..... and totally unfair.

    Your preacher..... his goal in life is probably to spread the word of god... not build networth.... if he achieves his goals... how is he a failure?

    I work at one of the Joint commands here in the midwest... and our command is sometimes called where the elephants go to die.... and you see the gamut when it comes to vets. Most of the ones I work with thought about life after the military early in their careers and have Networth and assets well over $1million .... which is no small feat.

    Generalizing vets as failures is an unfair... because there are just as many civilians in the same position. What it comes down to is.... if the Vet is having a tough time outside of the military, its because they did not do enough preperation for the transition. My father started thinking about his transition 5 years before it was his time to do it. He had all of his ducks in a row when he went on terminal leave and was able to be employed by week two into terminal leave. He has since moved on from that job and snagged a GS.

    So if there is anything you should learn from the Vets in your area... its not that the military career = failure in life, its that careful career planning is required to get you where you want to be in life.
     
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    For every one down on his luck veteran, there are a hundred other successful veterans living a good life.
     
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    Because they have already won at life /accord
     
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    cliffs ftw? :mamoru:
     
  21. Changed

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    Great post InForPics. :coold:

    I'm glad this thread didnt get deleted, because I've certainly learned alot about what to do, and not do, in order to be successful after a stint/career in the military.

    One thing that I noticed is that you said the GI Bill will not pay for gradute course, which kind of sucks. I should be enterting with a 4 year degree, so it would be nice to get some aid for grad school. However, grad school is basically paid for in a majority of cases, so it doesnt really matter :dunno:
     
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  24. brownfield

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    Basically the army will pay for your bachelors degree on one of two conditions. A. You don't have one when you join the army and they pay for you to go to college when you get out and B. You've gone to college and enlisted as a Specialist (E-4) and they pay off ALL of your college loans. I have a friend in my company that enlisted to pay off his loans for cornell university. If you wanna be a butter bar (officer/O-1) you get neither of these options.
     
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    HOWEVER... Some officers get time off to go back to grad school (i dunno if they pay for it though) to recieve further schooling... I could ask my XO on monday if you're really interested in this.
     

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