Why is Apple so popular??

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  1. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    I'm NOT looking to start a flame war so if that is your intent, feel free to opt out of this thread.

    I've been playing around with Ubuntu and I'm really impressed. I know that OSX is built on some form of unix...bsd I think....but I'm curious about the draw to Apple. I went to Comp USA today and visited the Apple website a couple of days ago and I don't get why Apple's are popular especially when Ubuntu is very similar but free.

    So Apple fans....what's the deal?? Why is Apple so good?? I really want to know because I'm thinking about purchasing a laptop and I could be tempted to go with an Apple but right now, the Windows based machines look awesome compared to the mac.
     
  2. kilamasta

    kilamasta New Member

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    Apple is popular ? Any selling data or something to back-up that statement ?
     
  3. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Sure it's popular, otherwise the company would have stopped making them years ago. Sales numbers are irrelevant because that's not what this thread is about. Did you even read my post before responding?
     
  4. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Style is everything for a lot of people.

    And Apple has tons of style.

    Also, not being under the radar of every hacker on the block helps as well.
     
  5. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Interestingly, a guy I work with just told me about a business build that Apple sells with the new Conroe in it. I guess it's several hundred dollars less than a similar build from Dell that runs Windows.
     
  6. mdaniel

    mdaniel S is for Shiksa

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    Its just a small group of people with a GIANT chip on their collective shoulder that makes them look popular. 95% of people Windows boxes and just quietly go about their business. But 5% of people by Macs and talk non-stop about how wonderful their mac is and constantly put down Windows. :mb: :jerkit: Plus, since all of the creative types use macs, they're very much overrepresented in any media you see, whether its an ad for cars, a movie, a TV show, etc.
     
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    mdaniel S is for Shiksa

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    I'd REALLY like to see a link on that. Apple hardware has NEVER been cheap and Dell is the king of cheap. I just built a Dell online for someone with a Conroe, 1GB, 160GB, DVDRW, 17" DVI LCD for under a grand. I don't see Apple touching that.
     
  8. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Keep the rants to yourself....if you don't like Apple, fine with me.

    Why is it the Windows crowd always feel a need to slam Apple?? It's juvenile and not what this thread is about.

    Feel free to STAY ON TOPIC....thanks.
     
  9. Euclid

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    Apple is popular because they have a great product that appeals to a wide variety of people.

    There used to be a very compelling list of reasons why you shouldn't get a Mac. Since the introduction of OS X, this list has been steadily dwindling, and the move to Intel has really narrowed the gap.

    Pretty much the only argument that can be made against a Mac these days comes down to saving a few bucks. If you're the type who spends hours upon hours researching hardware components to built the cheapest PC possible and pirating software with bittorrent just to save a few hundred dollars, then you already have a warped sense of value, and the Mac will seem like a bad deal.

    Besides cheapskates, the other crowd who has a legitimate beef with Macs are the overclockers. Usually gamers, these are the people who build their own rig in the pursuit of higher benchmark numbers. They aren't going to like the sealed-case approach that Apple takes with their hardware.
     
  10. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    I agree with the style argument Emmet Brown made and I think that's a reason for some people and it is appealing to me also.

    However Euclid, this is what I'm wondering about. What makes Apple so great?? I don't know and that's why I'm asking. When I look at their site I see a product that seems VERY similar to Ubuntu (especially when I played around with new themes, backgrounds, etc) but Ubuntu has all sorts of free software whereas Apple charges A LOT for theirs.

    So I'm trying to figure out the differences but I'm having some trouble.
     
  11. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Believe me, if it wasn't for the guy that was telling me, I would have called bullshit on it.
    But the guy is absolutely credible. He's a big time computer geek that I go to when I need to know something.
    He told me he even went on Dell's website and compared all the features.

    If it helps, it was a 4k build.
     
  12. Peyomp

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    Apple has the best designers in the world working for them, and this is reflected in their products. OS X is the best operating system in the world in terms of usability, and it is a pleasure to use. Its the same way that an Italian Sportscar is more fun to drive than a Ford Taurus. Both can get the job done. The Ferrari is a pleasure to drive though, and the Taurus isn't.

    Then there is the fact that Apple computers just work. All the time. Windows computers are a pathetic joke in comparison... totally unstable and insecure. Nobody even really argues this point. Its just true.

    As to Ubuntu: it lacks the polish that OS X does. I'm not sure FOSS can ever come up with a really polished GUI for an OS because so much of the work isn't fun in getting everything just right.
     
  13. Xyroquell

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    Apple has had a very hard time competing against Intel computers. But the fact remains that Apple was far more advanced in everything that had to do with graphics. They could handle high-resolution graphics much easier that an Windows 95 or 98 machine. Also the way they handle multi-threading was better than Windows, so they were better in real-time operations.

    Not that Windows is such a bad operating-system, but it's just different. Microsoft had the disadvantage that there were thousands of different hardware-products, each with their own set of drivers and you could find any hardware device in any random machine. So you'll end up with millions of different hardware configurations.

    So Windows was for the average guy and Apple was more for specialised
    use. However Microsoft managed to stabilize Windows, improved multi-threading and with the 3D cards and DirectX, Windows was in the lead.

    This was where the hard-times for Apple began because the larger companies, choose more and more for the Windows platform for several reasons.

    However, Apple was strong and did everything to survive. They began with the iMacs. A simple monitor with an included CD-ROM drive to which you could attach a keyboard and mouse. A computer for in the living-room. And if it got in the way, you could easily put it away. It was nice, and many iMacs were sold, however it did boast the popularity of Apple. After the iMac, Apple made more and more 'design' computers that would blend in easily in any modern interieur. They just look awesome, and so much better then the Intel-machines in their large and noisy ATX or HTPC cases.

    But why should they make only computers, right? So someone at Apple got the idea of an Ipod. Now, go out on the street and look around... Big chance you'll see someone carrying an Ipod within the next half hour! Just as the newer Mac's, the iPod has a nice design and became a gadget nearly everyone wants to have. Kids don't want a walkman, discman or even a normal MP3 player anymore... they want an iPod. Their friends have one, so they want one as well!

    Now, back to the design. If you have an iPod and put it next to your PC, you'll notice that it has absolutely nothing in common. But if you put your iPod next to a Mac, they look like they were made for eachother. Offcourse this isn't done without a reason!

    Personally I think the iPod is helping Apple a great deal with selling new Macs. Not because you need a Mac to connect your iPod to, as your iPod works fine with a PC. Not because Itunes works better on a Mac, 'cos it runs perfectly on any Windows installation. But because the design of the Ipod match pefectly with the Mac's design. And because the iPod became some sort of status-symbol, having a Mac is also something not everyone can afford.
     
  14. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Thanks!

    So Apples switch from Motorola to Intel chips hasn't affected the stability of the Mac? I used to sell macs back in the early 90s and even then they were stable but had problems. You'd get crashes but they were less then the Windows machines.

    Since that time, I quit using them or even caring about them because I was sooo into PCs. It sounds like a lot has changed.
     
  15. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    This is what I remember from when I sold macs. If you want to do graphics like page layout and design or art of some sort, you went with a mac cuz they were leaps and bounds beyond Windows. But I know for a fact that has changed and you can do some amazing things with Windows machines.

    Are there still programs that are only available on the mac and handle graphics better then on Windows?

    Yeah, I think the iPod has really helped Apple survive and thrive. In fact, from my limited research into the Macs, I was getting the impression that the iPods were a very large part of Apples revenue.

    I say that because quite honestly, the OS didn't really surprise me that much.....but then again, I'm not that familiar with the OS.
     
  16. piratepenguin

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    Macs aren't all that popular. I heard Jobs was gloating about how "we're gaining market share!" at the WWDC, when really they gained very little in a very small space of time (so it's not that reliable).
    http://www.openusability.org/
    http://www.betterdesktop.org/
     
  17. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Among a certain crowd, you are wrong...macs are extremely popular and I'm seeing more and more of them around town. From my unscientific perspective, they are becoming increasingly popular.
     
  18. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Man I gotta tell you, if you've never walked into an Apple store before, you should check one out. Their shit is awesome up close.
     
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    http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/19/2149209&from=rss

    My brother's the only person I know in the "real world" who owns a mac and he hasn't run OS X since he got BootCamp w/ Windows XP setup.

    10% desktop market share might be "extremely popular", Apple barely has a quarter of that. Firefox has ~10% browser market share. That's extremely popular if you ask me.

    OS X is extremely popular among some crowds (creative-types), but other than that..
     
  20. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    I went to compUSA yesterday to view it up close. The notbooks look very cool but the OS was just ok....I dunno...I didn't get a demo and was just kind of playing around myself so I'm sure I didn't see the full capeabilities. That's one reason I started this thread cuz after my visit to compUSA I wasn't that impressed.
     
  21. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    I would argue that the macs (not just OS X) are extremly popular among mac enthusiasts (not just creative-types) and that's what I ment by a certain crowd. Really, market share isn't even an issue to me. Afterall, people have been declaring Apple's days are numbered since before I can remember...yet....here they are.
     
  22. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    And an interesting counter argument to that market share number you referenced...

    http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20060919/is-apple-losing-os-share/

    lol web traffic != market share
     
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    I prefer the PC's mysefl but i can't help but notice mac's sleek designs and superb customer service.
     
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    There were some problems, but updates have fixed then. Mactel is stable.
     
  25. Peyomp

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    Thats interesting because in the "real world," every top developer I know either HAS a Macbook Pro, or is going to get one when they replace. And they'll all run OS X.

    OS X is extremely popular among:

    1) Education
    2) Creative Types
    3) Software Engineers
     

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