MIL Why doesn't the Army have a "CW5 of the Army"?

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  1. Cyan Connect

    Cyan Connect Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. OT Supporter

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    I have been wondering about this lately. There is a Sergeant Major of the Army and a Chief of Staff of the Army, but there is no Master Chief Warrant Officer of the Army. Why is this?
     
  2. Taylor Swift

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    Because Sergeant Major denotes a command billet. Warrant Officer ranks denote technical skills.
     
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    Cyan Connect Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. OT Supporter

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    Right, but I believe that they would need a senior technical advisor as well. That was my initial thought when I was writing this. At least as a ceremonial type of position. I even heard that the Army was thinking of creating a CW-6 rank.
     
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    What is the point of all the highly skilled technicians being led by one technician who is only highly proficient in one area of expertise?
     
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    Cyan Connect Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. OT Supporter

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    You do have a point here. But if this is the case, why does the Army still keep just one Specialist rank?
     
  6. Taylor Swift

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    Because the rank of Lance Corporal is a bit too much for the army to handle :bigthumb:
     
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    fucking CW5's

    I've seen CW5's that have around 40 years in and look like they're 80 goddamn years old. RETIRE ALREADY
     
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    Should have never put "Command" in front of Sergeant Major. Ruined the NCO corps.
     
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    fixed
     
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    What is the point of all of the enlisted ranks being led by a single enlisted SNCO? I'm pretty sure the Command Sergeant Major of The Army doesn't know how to do every single job NCOs hold in the Army.
     
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    Today, the United States Army Warrant Officer is a technical expert, combat leader, trainer, and advisor. The purpose of the Army WO is to serve in specific positions which require greater longevity than the billet duration of commanders and other staff officers. The duration of these WO assignments result in increased technical expertise as well as the leadership and management skills that make them so effective for the Army.

    Army warrant officers serve as technical and tactical experts and leaders in 45 basic WO Military Occupational Specialties. They serve in 15 branches of the service, spanning the Active service, the Army National Guard, and the U.S. Army Reserve. They also serve at every level, from down at the section and platoon all the way to the upper echelons of the Department of the Army. Warrant officers command the Army's vessels and most bands and aircraft. In addition, they may be found in command of various small units and detached teams.

    Regardless of rank, Army warrant officers are officially addressed as Mr. (Mrs., Miss, Ms.). Unofficially, the informal title of "Chief" is often used as a familiar form of address.
     
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    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    I work with a few CW5's, one has been flying for 36 years. He is amazing in the aircraft.
     
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    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    With an expanded Warrant Officer Corps supporting the Vietnam War, the Army first proposed the creation of CW5 and CW6 ranks in the early 1970s. While the proposal won Department of the Army staff approval, the force structure position changes for the new grades were not implemented at the time as the Army downsized immediately following the Vietnam War.

    Insignia for a CW6 rank was actually approved years ago - two stripes across a bar - even though promoting into that rank was never authorized by Congress, said CW5 Fred Hawn, assistant executive officer to the Army's vice chief of staff.
     
  14. Cyan Connect

    Cyan Connect Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. OT Supporter

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    If it were up to me I would make every Army E4 a Corporal. I would also make it the only NCO rank given straight through advancement and not promotion. It helps both the Soldier and the Army. For one, the Soldier would learn a lot of what they need to do as Sergeant earlier on. And it would help the Army by saving it money; they will get technical skill and leadership from the Soldier for the same pay grade. I would also change the Air Force's Senior Airman rank to Air Corporal. That way, all four services will have a junior NCO rank at E4. When you deploy to bases in Southwest Asia that have all four services represented, you have lots of incidents where a Navy or Marine Corps E4 is tasked as a group leader over Soldiers and Airmen simply because their branches give NCO status to that pay grade. I believe it is wrong and every branch should have equal status based on equal pay grade. I also believe that this will let everyone know who exactly is in charge of their section. When the E5 or E6 leaves on a mission, they should not have to decide whether or not to leave the PFC or the SPC or the PVT in charge, they should have an E4 NCO that will stay back and lead the section.
     
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    Air Force used to have an E4 Buck Sergeant. It won't come back.
     
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    Agreed, too many damn sham shields in the Army.
     
  17. widds2v

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    or get rid of the whole "NCO" thing and do it how the navy does it! no one gives a shit if you are a petty officer or an e5.
     
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    Not sure about Big Army, but in the Guard we have a CCWO Command Chief Warrant Officer of the state...
     

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