Discussion in 'OT Bar' started by Atmosphere, Dec 15, 2008.
assimilated to my list of techniques
That looks cumbersome at best....
The guy on the right wasn't doing it proper anyway. I guess they were probably purposely doing that, but he didn't put his hips in to give no space and he moved his upperbody in first . Guy on the left, left no space like the first guy should have.
So uh, in judo, which guy just won? The guy that first threw or the guy that countered?
i belive the guy that controlled on the way down (doing the throw) and it dosent matter who gets the actual positioning on the ground once the ippon is already called. i dont do judo though so...
I think what the second guy did is an actual throw though
on the top one yes, but i think he was talking about the one he quoted
which is why judo is up there with capoeira when it comes to martial arts that will never successfully translate to real world combat because you trade dominant positions for showy tosses, and that's if you're lucky and the guy you're being attacked by is wearing a gi
Hi guys, proper Judoka here Atmospheres .gif is nothing you would really see in a proper judo comp. No one would go for a Seoi Nage with that much room between the two players. Also it is the asian guy (the guy who countered the throw) who won
Secondly SCirones pic is a very nice drop Ippon Seoi Nage. It is amazing to watch such judo if you understand the mechanics of what is going on. Much like bjj to the untrained eye it looks boring and gay, but when you train in it, it looks fucking awesome when you understand what the players are doing (and even when you have no idea what they are doing, but still manage to do something amazing.
I think you just want me to take the bait, cause i have discussed judo in another forum, and if you think judo is useless i want you to go and take on some black belts at your local judo club. (Glups the bait) Another misconception is that judo people train in the gi all the time, there are some no gi lessons throughout the year, which teach you how to change your grips for use without the gi.
Finally the reason it is easier to roll out of a throw when you have thrown someone is so you don't fucking hurt yourself. It is a lot safer and easier to roll out of a throw, rather than landing ontop of someone, cause that shit hurts. Not as much as the person being thrown, but you might get a broken rib or something that is better avoided.
Judo guys train in the throws. and these guys will toss you like a rag doll without a problem, and some ground work. Which is much more applicable than bjj (just training in ground fighting and hardly any throws). However i get the best of both worlds as i train Judo and BJJ
and just to reinforce my point about judo being useless for MMA, i have one thread a while back with cool judo clips and GIFs (if you search for it) and here is one just to shut your mouth
That last throw is absolutely brutal.
my opinion has been changed
Sorry to bite your head off man, but as a Judo player (and training for MMA) I get pretty upset about these comments.
I'm very new to training in MMA, but my coach is very fond of some Judo throws and sweeps from the clinch (sorry if those aren't the right terms). And that highlight video kicks ass. Some cool moves I'll try next session (flying armbar, anyone?! )
to all the Gifs in this thread.
Woot for unappreciated judo getting some attention!
To be honest, as a wrestler, none of that is new to me and I've never touched judo in my life
and i have probably seen all your stuff before, but i am guessing we are using different postures, grips and offensive/defensive moves. Just the subtle changes.
Although why don't we see a lot of wrestlers use hip throws like seio nage and stuff?
Judo teaches leg attacks? I don't recall one during any of the judo olympics that I watched (could be wrong).
There are wrestlers that use hip tosses (don't know wtf seio nage is) but the better wrestlers can take shots to take people down. Throws tend to be more of a desperation thing.
btw I'm not hating on Judo I think it's cool, I'm just biased as a wrestler as you are a judoka
Judo is huge with the legs, especially Russian style of Judo and Sambo (as opposed to the classic judo of the Japanese, but both are equally good in there own rights).
However in the Olympics going for the legs is seen as desperation, although the Russians love taking the legs, you won't see it as much from the japs. Different cultures have evolved there own styles of judo, the most prononcued being between Russian and Japanese judo
the best judo Ive ever seen is mifune