MIL Who is the military NOT for?

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  1. Alexqzilla

    Alexqzilla New Member

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    I guess the thread title sums it up, what's your opinion? Is it the answer for everyone? Any stories to share about people who thought it was a good idea and fucked themselves?

    I will read everything you have to say :)
     
  2. Cheerio

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    My experience is ussually poeple who have to get a waiver for their age usually have physical problems when deployed or during BCT training
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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  5. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Accord.
     
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    You have to agree with it though, I've never met you, so I don't know what kind of person you are. You may be the 1 person exception to the rule. 99.99999999% of older people who join either have physical problems or are gigantic douches because they are 38 and cant handle what a 20 year old E5 is telling them what to do.
     
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    I don't think this is that big of an issue. My PL is 27.......I'm 36 been in for 15 plus years (9 on of them in Recon USMC). I don't have an issue with his age. He is competent leader..WHO LISTENS AND TAKES SOUND ADVICE INTO CONSIDERATION...and that is all that I ask.

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    Way different scenario. 27 years old, he's hitting his 10 year mark here soon. Of course you're going to have situations like that, as person in charge != oldest. I'm talking about 30+ year old E1/E2's who are going to be working for 19/20 year old E5's. That is when most 30+ year olds become "i shouldnt have to do that im old".
     
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    whitecouch spendin' our golden years in OT Supporter

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    I agree. I've run into a lot of individuals that I outrank that are older. Some have even been in as much as twice as long, even. Some are just 10-15 years older. They almost always have a bad attitude and require extra attention to keep motivated.
     
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    I was saying people who enter initially at a waiver age, as in sign their first contract
     
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    That is a big assumption to think he's hitting his 10 yr mark. I also have yet to meet an E5 at 19/20 yrs old, even with the accelerated promotions.
     
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    Pretty much every IT is an E5 after 2 years :cool:
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Anyone that can't take orders from a higher ranking soldier, no matter what age/gender/race/etc difference there may be, has absolutely no business being in the military.
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    I can't imagine coming in as an E1 at 40 years old.
     
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    Its not for someone who does not want it. Its not just a job, it's a lifestyle and a way of life.
     
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    That's pathetic. No one should be an NCO after only putting in 2 years. At 2 years you still don't know shit. So a 2 year E5 is going to know shit, and have kids that know less than shit looking up to him?? That's a recipe for trouble, imho.
     
  18. Julius

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    I don't care what branch this applicable to, but this is 100% true.

    I'm sick of getting phone calls every morning from retarded ass fucking 2.5 year "NCOs" about retarded bullshit
     
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    The reason we advance that quickly though is we aren't treated like "NCO's" (FUCK THAT TERM :squint:). See a marine E5 is a marine E5, for the most part of the 1000 or so marines that are onboard an amphib that are "grunts", if one E5 marines comes up to another E2 marine and tells them to do something, that E2 is probably gonna do it. In the Navy you are confined into your own rate... if I went and told some random OSSR (E1 OS) to do something he'd probably be like wtf, make up a bunch of excuses, and leave. That's life. Within IT's though we have like 3 people E4 & below in our shop, like 10 E5's, 1 E6. The environment just becomes we're all buddy buddy. Obviously if something like taking the trash comes up im gonna tell the fucktard seaman to do it.

    That and most IT's will end their first contract as an E5 and get out to make twice as much money working for the govt anyways with a TS clearance. Creates a void of E5's to fill, making the advancement rate quite high (well its dropping again, at its peak like 70% of people that went up for E5 made it, down in the 40% now for IT). So there are not that many E4 & below. We don't need to know how to "lead", we need to know how to do our job.
     
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    holy shit you live like 15 minutes from me, I'm in Silver Spring
     
  21. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Why so heavily loaded up on E5's?

    It doesn't look like you have a void of E5's to me. :dunno:

    No wonder you don't know how to lead. How can you lead when everybody's an E5?
     
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    Not for anyone who doesn't expect to deploy.
     
  23. Cheerio

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    Ive seen it twice
     
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    Ships generally go through 2 phases every 4-5 years (3 years or so for overseas ships). Since billets are for that length for first time sailors they will easily make E5 at some point at their first command. So they are sent to the ship to fill an E1's spot, but make E5 halfway into their tour. There are still E5 billets because the detailers don't take that into account, they just see on paper that the ship has X amount of E1 billets, X amount of E5 billets, X amount of E6, etc. Creates a situation every few years where all your people who came to the command as an E1 are E5, and add in all your second tour E5's that are filling an actual E5 billet. On the flipside at some point you'll see an influx of lower ranking people as the E5's that are filling E1 billets transfer out. It isn't as noticable because transfer dates are more staggered in comparison to how quick we make E5, but still we should at some point see at least half the shop be E4 & below.

    Same situation on my last ship, we had 18 people.. like 6 were E6's, 11 E5's, and 1 E4. It's pretty stupid :(
     
  25. Short Bus

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    Same problem in my particular field. Aside from leading an honor guard flight, I didn't have my first subordinate until I had been in for ten years.
     

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