MIL Where in the world should my next duty station be?

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  1. Immortal1

    Immortal1 New Member

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    I'm a 2LT :mamoru: and I just recently graduated from the Ordnance school.

    My original orders were for Ft Hood. and that unit deployed a few weeks ago for Iraq.

    About a week ago my orders got diverted for Korea.

    Well, I don't know plum about Korea except for the juicy girls :noes: but that's not really my deal.

    I have the opportunity to switch to either Ft. Riley or Ft. Hood.

    So...OT which would you pick? I don't plan on doing 20, probably just my 4 active and 4 reserve.

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  2. Blackfox

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    I've always heard Ft. Riley is a hidden gem for Army posts. Guys I know that were stationed there loved it.
     
  3. jmx2323

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    is korea only a 1 yr tour?
     
  4. Immortal1

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    correct
     
  5. WildBull

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    i heard army guys complain about Korea so much
     
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  8. jmx2323

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    if your single and only play to do 4 yrs, may as well get to see something other then the US. I would do the year in Korea
     
  9. MajorPrivate

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    FT Hood, fuck Kansas
     
  10. RecklessYouth

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    Go to Korea
     
  11. The Weasel

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    I'd do Korea, friends tell me it sucks, but once they left, they said they would do another tour. Plus, they bought a lot of cheap clothing.
     
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    Im in korea, it's not bad but like they say, people hate it when their here, but say it was cool once they leave.


    It's relaxed on the peninsula, especially in my unit.
     
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    korea ftw. come here and enjoy. ;)
     
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  15. JSin

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    I have heard nothing but bad about Hood, I would choose Riley if you are eliminating Korea. But a year tour overseas isn't bad at all.

    Nice to see another Ordinator around here.
     
  16. Blackfox

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    hell yea!!!
     
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    The only good thing i've heard about Riley is that Kansas state is close, other than that its no good. Hood is a city, its absolutely ridiculous so i think you are screwed either way.
     
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    hood isnt to bad its killeen and the surrounding areas that blow goats
     
  19. Asherman

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    My son (WO4) is an East Asian specialist. His language is Korean (DLI), his BA was International Studies with emphasis on East Asia, and he married a graduate of Seoul Univ. He has served multiple tours in Korea, and looks forward to returning there, or Japan in some capacity after retiring from the Army. One of my degrees is in Asian Studies, and I did work at the graduate level in Oriental Religion and Philosophy. My specialty was China. I've visited the ROK and other East Asian locations, though never in an official capacity. I try to keep up with what's happening in East Asia, but finding unclassified material on the DPRK and conditions within that unhappy country are difficult to come by.

    Korea is a very different culture from what Americans are used to. Korea has a history of domination by China and Japan, and self-image is very important to them. What to us might be a trifling matter, to many Koreans would be regarded as a deadly insult. In the ROK, pride in the Olympics or in their architecture, economy, etc. rivals the passions of a True Believer. Korean culture still retains very strict social and ritual behavior, and one should be careful not to violate precedance. For example, I snapped a genralized photograph of a crowded outdoor market. Some of the men in the crowd to exception to being photographed even at a distance, and a small riot ensued. Unlike most folks, I could only go out into society accompanied by a security team, and for once was very glad for their presence.

    The Korean War is still underway, even though the Cease Fire has been in effect for over fifty years. Reunitication of the country is almost universally desired. The older generation holds very bitter memories of the occupation by the DPRK, and the mass murders they committed at the time. Younger Koreans are more liberal and their desire for reunification makes them a special target for provoctures from the DPRK. There is a large segment to the Korean society that have come to regard the American presence as a hurdle to be covercome on the road to reunification. Agents, or Fellow-Travelers, from the DPRK operate widely inside the ROK, even at relatively high in the ROK government. Student riots are easily provoced, and it takes some getting used to to see heavily armed police on major street corners. A policeman's mere gesture is enough to cause a Korean driver to pull over and stop.

    Korean men tend to drink very heavily, and most Americans can't keep pace with them ... so be prepared to nurse and quietly water your drinks, or you will later regret it. Korean food takes some getting used to for Americans, but is full of flavor and is generally very healthy. Buddhism (though a different variation than what is generally seen in China or Japan) is still dominent, though making money has almost the cache of being a religion.

    The countryside is beautiful, but its agricultural productivity is limited by the rugged mountains that run the pretty much the length of the peninsula. Rail transportation only dates from the 20th century, and surface roads are often narrow, winding and prone to closure from rockslides and snow. Korean winters can be devastatingly cold with icy winds coming off of the Siberian and Arctic regions. Seoul is within artillery range of the DMZ, and the ground between is one of the most carefully prepared potential battle zones in the world ... yet people live normal lives there.

    Korea is a duty station that is difficult in many ways for the average American soldier. Our troops are resented by long liberals and those who decieve themselves into believing that the Korean War is only perpetuated by our presence. Most enlisted only meet the "lower order" of Korean society, and that risks trouble. In Korea, soldiers have to project confidence and peaceful respect for the populace, and at the same time be be ready for a real, shooting war. Relaxed, yet ready to rumble. That's tough for young soldiers in such a foreign environment. For those who take the extra effort, Korea is a wonderful place. It has many beautiful places, and to directly experience the Korean culture can be very rewarding.

    It appears that Kim Jong-Il has had some major health problems over the past year. That should get our attention. The DPRK is not the sort of place where a power vacumn can exist very long. The North is desperately poor and is constantly on the verge of famine. Productivity and power generation is low, and almost totally focused on maintaining the Regime, and its mainstay, the military. The military and political apparatus in the DPRK is completely under the control of the Kim family, and no independent power bases have ever been allowed to develope outside the family. Jong-Il had been carefully prepared to assume power after is father, but Jong-Il has no really obvious successor. Jong-Il has three sons, and normally the oldest would succeed. All three sons have been educated in the West (primarily Switzerland and Austria), but our knowledge of them is fragmentary and incomplete. The oldest was caught in Japan with improper documents and was exiled for a very long time, most he led the life of a playboy and gambler in Macao. The second son, who has his own claims of legitimacy as "eldest" legal heir, apparently was believed "unmannly" by his father. We know even less about the youngest son, who is generally regarded as the dark horse in the race. The oldest son has recently been rehabilitated, though there seems to be some strong support for the second son. When Jong-Il dies the DPRK could easily become fataly destabilized.

    There are at least three scenarios for what might happen after Jong-Il is taken off stage. One is that the power struggle will be realtively peaceful and contained. The Kim family would rather quickly reassert its power over the organs of government, and the new regine would over time develop its own policies to deal with the central problems that have plagued the DPRK since WWII. If the power struggle turned ugly, the whole population of the North could be very adversely affected as tight social controls evaporate. Fighting could spread throughout the country, and that wouldn't be well received in either ROK or in the PRC.

    One group of analysts believe that ROK and the US will have to step in to prevent total chaos. Conditions inside the DPRK are already far worse than they were in East Germany or some of the other Iron Curtain countries. ROK probably isn't economically capable of feeding, clothing, and otherwise rescuing their Nothern Brethern. Even the US during a period of prosperity would have trouble rescuing the DRPK from collapse. While we are struggling with our own economic problems, trying to rescue the DPRK probably isn't doable. Even if we tried to help we would be taking an enormous risks of starting a chain of events that could lead to a very dirty war. The People of the DPRK have been "brain-washed" for generations to believe that the US is more evil than the Nazis, and that conditions are so bad in the US that we want to steal their "prosperity" from them. They do not love us, and likely would resist our presence even as we tried to help.

    When the UN/US forces approached the Yalu River back in the 1950's, the PRC sent its forces over the border into Koreas and drove our military back to the original dividing line between the ROK and the DPRK. China's claims to Korea as one of its independent tributaries is not dis-similuar to China's claims on Tibet. There are some analysts who believe that if the event the the DPRK falls apart, that the PRC will send troops "temporarily" in to "stabilize" the situation and North Korea would again become a part of China. The arguement against this is that the PRC probably wouldn't want to assume any responsibility for a population that is starving, and in chaos. If China sent troops, the PLA would probably have to shoot a lot of people and the government of the PRC wouldn't like that sort of negative PR.

    Go to Korea.
     
  20. Immortal1

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    hah, thanks Asherman, that was quite informative. thanks for all the input. i shall be going to Korea very shortly.

    :wondersifOTisallowedthere: :mamoru:
     
  21. Asherman

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    Reading over my post, I'm embarrassed at the number of typos in it. I really should take the time to properly edit. I'm glad that my comments were of some use in helping with your decision to go. Korea is a highly sensitive posting, but has been eclipsed in the public eye by the Radical Islamic Terrorist movement. The DPRK isn't a direct threat to the United States, but as a major supplier of arms and munitions it has to be watched. There have been contacts between the DPRK and Iran, and the two have cooperated on some systems of concern to military folks. The DPRK nuclear program has been a problem for a long time, and Iran has almost undoubtedly profited from that experience. The N. Korean nuclear test was a fizzle, or even possibly a hoax, but so long as the current DPRK government exists nuclear weapons are a distinct possibility. The DPRK's longest range missiles haven't been tested, but have been seen inside Iran. The North Koreans have a very long history of intransigence, provocation, and making threats. They are such a pain to deal with that from time to time they gain a small concession, and then up the ante and the process begins all over. No promise from the DPRK can be trusted, and they will break their most solumn pledges without a moment's thought. They believe in attack, and that their opponents are always weak and less committed than they are.

    Though the DPRK military is exceptionally large, and uses a disproportionate amount of the nation's available resources, the average troops tend to be undertrained and equiped with out-dated weapons. On the other hand, there is a core of very dangerous special forces personnel that no one in their right mind would willingly take on. As you might expect the moral varies considerabley from unit to unit. The DPRK is not believed to hold substantial oil/petral reserves to prosecute a lengthy campaign, but for a brief period they could do a lot of damage.

    Our garrison has been reduced, and may be further reduced by the new Obama administration. That is dangerous. US and ROK forces are generally superior to the primary DPRK units, but in the event of an attack would be hard pressed to hold on until additional forces arrive. Your principle ground reserves are the Marines based down in Okinawa, with air cover from Japan and the Fleet. Winter tends to favor the North, because ground and weather conditions during the rest of the year would greatly slow and constrain any ground armour. A barrage on Seoul would likely cause panic and refugees trying to get out of the City could easily hamper ROK/US military movement. It is a very interesting place for the professional military officer. There are great challenges, and if our hopes for a continued peace fail it is a place where important actions will occur.
     
  22. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Fuck Korea.
     
  23. Jyokker

    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    aren't you going?
     
  24. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Fuck Korea.
     
  25. Accord

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    wait.

    so let me get this straight.

    you're going to korea?
     

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