MMA When you roll at your dojo, are neck cranks allowed?

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  1. Sammo

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    I've been practicing at the gym at my school a few times now...

    I heard the instructor say "no neck cranks" before, but I think maybe someone pulled one on me yesterday

    neck is pretty stiff now

    how is it at your school?
     
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    When my old instructor was teaching us, he said not to to practice heel hooks. But now basically everything goes. The thing with neck cranks are, they require a lot more strength to perform and are generally pretty difficult to do on people with a lot of experience. I would say it is good to practice with them as long as people are smart about tapping if they really can't escape.
     
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    I thought that the problem was that by the time that you do have to tap, the damage has already been done

    same thing with heel hooks
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    in no gi class, just about everything is fair game.

    with the gi on, lots of things become illegal. neck cranks are among those things.

    however, a lot of times there is a fine line between a neck crank and a choke. sometimes a simple arm triangle choke can be a neck crank.
     
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    how bad is the effect of the neck crank?

    should I expect to feel like this for awhile? I don't even remember having to tap from it, but maybe I did
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    i dont know. if your neck is just really sore, it should feel that way for around a week. if you get some weird severe shooting pain, then thats probably something different.
     
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    It's propoably nothing. If it persists then see a doctor otherwise don't worry about it.
     
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    We are allowed to use them. I normally use them a lot, but I try not to get too happy with them as most tournaments don't allow them in their beginner divisions.
     
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    in gi no, with nogi unfortunately yes
     
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    I was wearing a gi too, hmmm
     
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    was it a can opener (guy in your guard cranked your head?) or was it something else?
     
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    he was just in front of me pushing my head down to my chest if I remember correctly

    I'm not sure if it was in the mount or gaurd
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    yeah truthfully there arent a lot of great neck cranks out there.

    both variations of the crucifix are probably the best ones.
     
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    If he was in your guard and pulling your head down to your chest, that's a can opener, and most definately a neck crank.

    Most people use them as a way of breaking your guard instead of an actuall submission.
     
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    sounds like the can opener. its not allowed with the gi as a submission.
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    ask your instructor how to counter that because its really easy to escape 99% of the time

    if hes doing it while mounted, thats a different story
     
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    I think he covered my gi over my head while he was doing it too
     
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    The two I always use are the crossface twisting crank when I have someones back, and where you are in mount and have them almost in a gullotine position, but you feed your hand under their armpit, clasp the other hand and crank from there (shitty description)
     
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    the one thing we don't do is heel hooks, imo it's just not worth the risk to ruin 6 months of your life so that you can do 1 technique.
     
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    also I would really appreciate it if someone could link me to a description/picture of a heel hook so I can make sure I don't get put in one
     
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    can opener = neck crank from guard
    can opener2 = neck crank from the scarf hold

    crucifix = the submission that tito caught kondo with, probably the most skillful neckcrank out of all of them. The others are more power based.
     
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    I've never been told not to do heel hooks... but I stopped using them to be on the safe side. I have this fear of someone attempting a thrashing escape and getting their knee popped when I have a hook locked on them.

    I can get straight ankle locks almost as easilly, so I use those instead.

    I have been told not to use kneebars though. Luckilly I can practice the setup for one and just go for the toehold instead.
     
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    my knee was fucked up the week before that too, I was worried I was going to have to see a doctor

    but it's not bothering me now
     
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    http://www.bisons.net/training/heelhook/heel_hook_pose.jpg[IMG]

    nevermind, i'm stupid

    that's a horrible heel hook attempt
     
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