GUN When clearing a gun, have you ever taken the mag out last?

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  1. johnson

    johnson New Member

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    I never do it that way.

    I don't agree with it because that method won't work on all guns. Some guns don't have external slide lock levers, so they only lock on an empty mag.

    Remove the mag, rack the slide, visually check, physically check.



    Edit: But that's just me... what do I know?
     
  3. mvizos

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    I always drop the mag first, but thats just me.

    And I know on the P232, there is no way to lock the slide manually, it'll only lock back on an empty mag. (at least, on mine...If there is a way to lock it manually, I've never found it)
     
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    Same with my P7.
     
  5. A96HondaAccordCoupeEX

    A96HondaAccordCoupeEX Silver Member

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    maybe this is how that glock 40 guy clear his guns.
     
  6. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    At least with my rifles it makes more sense to take out the magazine first, and then clear the chamber so I can visually inspect in one fell swoop.
     
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    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    Fixed.
     
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    GuiltySparc OT Supporter

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    ya, mag first for me too.
     
  9. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    I am getting my Glock 19 Dirty today.. might have to watch this when I get back :coold:
     
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    Yes.
     
  11. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    There's a small tab just above where the mag release would be if you had a P7M8. Push that in while the slide is back to lock it open.
     
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    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Like everything else, I'm sure there is a good reason for Yeager to teach this way. I've always been taught to drop the mag and rack twice before manually confirming unloaded, what's the advantage to clearing first?
     
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    Why would you teach that way as opposed to the ALWAYS safe method of dropping the mag first then clearing the chamber?

    That way just seems way to easy to have someone make a mistake and just leaves too much open to the possibility of a problem. While dropping the mag first will always work properly.
     
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    I agree with VWpilot it is just safe to drop the mag just to make sure.
     
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    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    How do people have ND's with your "ALWAYS safe" method?
     
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    Well even if I had that tab, I would still drop the mag first. My preferred method. :dunno:
     
  17. vwpilot

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    Because they are not using the method. If you drop a mag and then clear the chamber there is no way to screw it up unless you simply do not do it.

    In the other way, its much easier to mess up the process.

    With either, when done properly it will work just fine. It just seems that with trying to clear the chamber first, you leave more room for error.

    Again, I'm serious, why would you teach that method? What is the reasoning for it? When all other instruction I'm aware of teaches to drop a mag then clear the chamber on a semi handgun, what is the reasoning for doing it the other way. You guys must have a legit reason to go against the grain of normal instruction if you're teaching it. What is that? I'm truly interested.
     
  18. jeri534

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    The only reasoning I can see from racking the slide, then pulling the mag would be in a situation where


    You empty the magazine, something takes your attention away and you walk away from the gun, you come back and you see the magazine is out and you could assume that the gun is clear :dunno:

    Of course thats just hypothetical, anytime you pickup a gun you should clear it regardless if you think its clear or not.


    With that being said, ive always dropped the mag then rack the slide, and thats how I would teach someone also.
     
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    PorscheRacer You see this? It means not welcome

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    I do the samething and it has worked so far
     
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    i always drop the mag, first. I also "catch" the round, but I dont do it in a way that the ejector could hit the primer :ugh:
     
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    I drop the magazine first. It shouldn't make a difference as long as you always visually and physically check the chamber.
     
  22. ShackleMeNot

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    When clearing a firearm there are three critical steps. The order is less important than the fact that all three are accomplished. Plenty of people shoot themselves, their loved ones, their TVs or their walls or furniture by “doing it wrong”.

    1. Lock the slide to the rear
    2. Eject the magazine
    3. Visually and physically inspect the chamber and magwell to make sure they are empty

    Would other orders work? Sure, as long as you are constant and the third step is always third.

    We teach this order because we have seen too many people take out the mag and either don’t think about the chamber or get distracted and rack the slide and then take out the mag.
     
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    With the exception of an AK without a bolt hold open on the safety lever or something like a Keltec or an HK P7 I don't think there are very many guns that this would be a problem.

    I do think that locking the slide open is an important part of the unloading process so if you couldn't do that you should just do the best you can.
     

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