GUN whats the diff XM193, SS109, & XM855 V.223/5.56

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  1. jayhat

    jayhat You have the personality of a dead moth.

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    I was going to buy a few boxes of quality ammo and was wondering what the difference between these was... :dunno:

    Thanks in advance :wiggle:
     
  2. jayhat

    jayhat You have the personality of a dead moth.

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    btw I was looking at Lake City stuff. Seems when I'm looking at Lake City and other "military" type ammunitions they always seem to have one of these designations in the name but when I look at commercial type ammo's they don't. Why is that?
     
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    M193/XM193/etc: 55gr lead-only core, FMJBT, MV~3200fps (from 20" bbl)
    SS109: 62gr, steel penetrator over lead core, FMJBT, MV whatever the loader wants
    M855/XM855/etc: 62gr steel/lead core, FMJBT (same bullet as SS109), MV~3000fps (20" bbl)
     
  4. Clusive

    Clusive Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

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    [B]Military cartridge types[/B]
    
     [LIST]
    [*][B]Cartridge, Ball, F1[/B] [I](Australia)[/I]: 5.56X45mm FN SS109 equivalent produced by Australian Defence Industries(ADI).
    [*][B]Cartridge, Ball, L2A1[/B] [I](United Kingdom)[/I]: 5.56x45mm FN SS109 equivalent produced by Radway Green.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Tracer, L1A1[/B] [I](United Kingdom)[/I]: 5.56x45mm tracer compliment to L2A1, also produced by Radway Green.[/LIST]  [LIST]
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, M193[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 55-grain ball cartridge.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Grenade, M195[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm grenade launching blank.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Tracer, M196[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 54-grain tracer cartridge, red cartridge tip.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, M202[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 58-grain FN SSX822 cartridge
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, XM287[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 68-grain ball cartridge produced by Industries Valcartier, Inc. An Improved version was also produced designated [B]XM779[/B].
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Tracer, XM288[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 68-grain tracer cartridge produced by Industries Valcartier, Inc. An Improved version was also produced designated [B]XM780[/B].
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Grenade, M755[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm grenade launching blank specifically for the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M234_launcher"]M234 launcher[/URL].
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, XM777[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm ball cartridge.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Tracer, XM778[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm tracer cartridge.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Ball, M855[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 62-grain FN SS109 ball cartridge.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Tracer, M856[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 64-grain FN L110 tracer cartridge
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Armor Piercing, M995[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 52-grain AP cartridge, black cartridge tip.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Tracer, XM996[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm so-called "Dim Tracer" with reduced effect primarily for use with night vision devices.
    [*][B]Cartridge, Caliber 5.56 mm, Special Ball, Long Range, Mk 262 Mod 0/1[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: 5.56x45mm 77-grain Open-Tipped Match/Hollow-Point Boat-Tail cartridge. Mod 0 features Sierra Matchking bullet, while Mod 1 features either Nosler or Sierra bullet.
    [*][B]Cartridge, 5.64 mm, Ball, MLU-26/P[/B] [I](United States)[/I]: Early USAF designation for 5.56x45mm ball cartridge produced by Remington.
    [/LIST]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45mm_NATO#Military_cartridge_types
     
  5. A96HondaAccordCoupeEX

    A96HondaAccordCoupeEX Silver Member

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    This pretty much covers it.

    M193/M855 are considered 5.56. Higher pressure.

    .223 basicly the commercial side, lower pressure.

    If you have a .223 chamber, you only want to shoot .223.

    If you have a 5.56 chamber, you can shoot both .223/5.56 no problems.
     
  6. Paul Revere

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    m855 is great, but have fun paying almost $0.50/round :ugh2:
     
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    Think of SS109 (or called M855) as armor piercing... made to go through vests, or steel plates.

    And yeah, the poster above got it right, .223 is the commercial version of 5.56 (lowered pressure).



    Where are you finding Lake City stuff? Usually pretty good stuff, sometimes hard to come by.

    Now a days, if you can find rounds for .30c a round, you're doing good.

    Stay away from Wolf Ammo if you like your rifle.
     
  9. jayhat

    jayhat You have the personality of a dead moth.

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    Cheaper than dirt- 223/5.56 NATO Lake City XM855 Penetrator SS109 62 Grain Box of 20 Rounds for $11 ($0.55 a rnd):hsugh:


    Sportsmans guide -Lake City XM193 20 rnds for $8 ($0.40/rnd)

    definitely not going to buy a bunch at those prices. I just wanted to have a few boxes on hand.
     
  10. jayhat

    jayhat You have the personality of a dead moth.

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    oh and yes my gun can shoot .223 or 5.56
     
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    Painkiller The Synarchy of Molten Bones

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    ss109 is a not a loading, it is the bullet type. M855 is the nato load with the ss109 bullet. They are not the same.
     
  12. A96HondaAccordCoupeEX

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    m855 is overrated. :greddy:
     
  13. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    SS109 =/= AP

    It will penetrate plain steel but so will M193 and M855. None of these will defeat hardened steel plates though. You'll need M995 for that.
     
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    if it was $200/1000 it wouldnt be overrated :mamoru:
     
  15. sneakyjesus

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    damn right
     

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