what version if linux should I run

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  1. Leb_CRX

    Leb_CRX OT's resident terrorist

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    I am getting a 450 machine and debating on what linux flavour to run...I am thinking redhat cause I have some experience with it, but I am wondering if anyone can recommend anything better

    basically the #1 thing is security cause I am a fairly big n00b when it comes to that shit

    the second thing is I need it to act as a router, and as a web server/ftp server

    third, I need to have fun with it

    any ideas?? SuSe? Redhat? someoen shed some light :wtc:
    thanks
     
  2. Leb_CRX

    Leb_CRX OT's resident terrorist

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    p.s. it has to be fairly simple to use, nothing too crazy :)
     
  3. D1G1T4L

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    i just installed redhat 9.0 and i am pretty much a newbie in linux too

    i need someone to point me to some guide or help me learn linux, what's the best way to do it, where do i start, what do i read, what to do?

    things i need out of my linux box......
    need to learn how to install packages and dependencies and whatever they mean and how the hell to use rpm, how to set up my box as a router, have apache/tomcat on it, way to forward ports, and share files between linux and my windows boxes
    is there one site that will tell me all of this (except google.com o) or what's a good step..... someone help :ugh: :eek3: :hs:
     
  4. Aimless

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    http://www.linuxdoc.org/ is sometimes a good place to start. Once you have a general idea of what program you need to use, try typing "man [appname]" in a command line for some detailed usage info

    If you're using RedHat, http://www.redhat.com/docs/ might have some useful info.

    :dunno:

    The forum here is usually a good place to ask questions too ;)
     
  5. mind7

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    Debian is becoming more and more like Redhat everyday, so you could look into that one. apt will become your best friend :big grin:
     
  6. Aimless

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    :bash: I'm no debian nazi but I have to disagree. RH is eagerly transforming everything they can into a neat little wizard or GUI configuration panel. Debian gives you much more freedom, and similarly makes it a little more difficult.

    Apt > * though :bigthumb:
     
  7. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    emerge > apt

    :p

    go gentoo (http://www.gentoo.org)
     
  8. D1G1T4L

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    i dont find linuxdoc.org useful at all, they list random guides http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html/ and no descriptions or anything

    http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html is kind useful though i guess
     
  9. Leb_CRX

    Leb_CRX OT's resident terrorist

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    yep same here, you know what I found useful, in the GUI redhat, there's a chat program, connect to it (mirc, I think dalnet) and join #linuxhelp, people there seem to be alright, some of them are anal fags and have the 'check the man pages' come out no matter what they type
     
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    :hs: I've never really used it, but I've heard it recommended. I typically will do a search on google to get a general idea of what needs to happen, then go to man pages for specifics.

    A search in google groups is usually helpful as well.
     
  11. R-Type

    R-Type The Bydo Empire must die!

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    if you're a complete newb
    redhat/mandrake/knoppix

    intermediate/advanced
    gentoo/slackware/debian

    gentoo lets you customize your system from the ground up, but since you build everything from source, it takes awhile to set up initially even on fast machines. its biggest strength, however, is its portage pkg system. it allows you to easily install/uninstall and manage dependencies. Currently, I run gentoo on my linux system. I am an ex slackware user.

    slackware is an all-around good distro (also one of the oldest and most stable), but it lacks some of the pkg management features of the other distros. Basically, if you stick to prebuilt packages, everything is fine. however, it becomes hard to manage if you install software from source. With slackware, I end up rebuilding half the system after I installed so it would do what I needed. With gentoo at least the exercise is more automated.

    Redhat used to be decent (up to version 6), but today its scripting system has gotten a bit cumbersome to manage as its designed to be manipulated with the GUI tools. While convenient, they limit configuration options at times.

    Mandrake started as a carbon copy of RH that used KDE instead of Gnome as the window manager in X. Today, its probably the more friendly of the two, but I hear that some of their pkgs crap out on AMD based systems.

    debian is more about politics than about software functionality these days. While the maintainers' adamant philosophies concerning software freedom are laudable, they sometimes get in the way of functionality, so I avoid this distribution. A lot of their software revisions are VERY old, which can make things more difficult if you want to get the latest wiz-bang hardware/software running. On the bright side, this means the distro is very stable, as each pkg is tested and then tested again and again, hehe. I'm willing to bet the maintainers are as anal, if not more so than the *BSD guys.

    knoppix is a cd-based distro that allows you to try linux out without installing anything to your hd. Of course, you can install it there if you wish. From what I understand, its kernel module configuration is quite good at detecting your hardware (obviously a necessity for a cd-based distro) making it easy for newbs to get started.

    Please realize this is just my opinion. I have no wish to start a distro flame war. They are counterproductive. Use whatever distro suits you best. That is true freedom.

    http://www.gentoo.org
    http://www.slackware.com
    http://www.debian.org
    http://www.redhat.com
    http://www.mandrakelinux.com
    http://www.knoppix.com

    *edit*
    any of them will do well for a router as 99% of that is done in the kernel, just make sure you turn off unecessary services. What I do is built a minimal gentoo system with the iptables utils installed.
     
  12. dexedrine

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    i liked gentoo except for the fact that it took forever to install on my 1.4ghz athlon.

    right now i'm running arch linux, (http://www.archlinux.org/) which i think is really great. i use it on my laptop and server. i can update my packages and automatically satisfy dependencies by typing pacman -Syu it's definatly not a newb distro, however it's good if you want to learn linux. i've learned about 100 times as much while using it than any other distro.

    oh yeah, don't forget OpenBSD and FreeBSD. I used openbsd for the longest time, it's a great OS. none of this damn module bullshit, although managing dependecies of apps can be really annoying.
     

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