GUN What is considered concealed carry?

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  1. D-FENS

    D-FENS New Member

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    I like backpacking alot, and I'll have my FID card pretty soon, and I'd like to throw my shotgun in my pack, but I don't know whether or not it would be considered concealed carry. The barrel would be removed.

    If that is considered concealed carry, then would it be safe to assume there would be no problem if I put it in a case, that would be displayed on the exterior of my pack, held on by straps?
     
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    conceal usually applies to handguns only
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    this is my understanding.. that is why in Texas they are called CHL
     
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    But if that were true, couldn't I get a big trenchcoat and put my AK under it? I'd expect the anti-gun folk to worry about that enough that they would make it illegal to non-CCW people.
     
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    oakie my ninja.

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    in WA it's called a CPL... Concealed Pistol License

    and it's that way because pistols are easier to conceal than an AK-47 strapped to your leg and covered up by a trenchcoat... therefore requiring regulation.



    as for backpacking, depends on where you are. firearms of any sort are illegal within a national park in WA.
     
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    Thats what we call rational thinking. Do you really think that, especially in a liberal state like MA, that the anti-gun lawmakers would use rationality and common sense?

    I'll ask the cops at school on monday.
     
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    Since when?
     
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    You cannot carry a firearm in a Federal Park unless it is secured and disabled in your vehicle. State Parks are state specific.
    As with every other gun law you should check your own state laws. Here is Nevada's.



    From Nevada Revised Statutes:


    NRS 202.3653 Definitions. As used in NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, unless the context otherwise requires:

    1. “Concealed firearm” means a loaded or unloaded pistol, revolver or other firearm which is carried upon a person in such a manner as not to be discernible by ordinary observation.


    Carrying a rifle or shotgun on the person but hidden under clothing would be concealed and illegal. If it's in a case, then it's not concealed but in a transport container. "upon the person" can be considered on the body itself or in a backpack, purse, or similar container not specifically designed for firearms transport (ie a hard or soft guncase)
    If you wanted to carry a shotgun the best way would be strapped to the outside of the pack with a sling, over your shoulder with a sling, or strapped to your pack in it's own case. If you want to have it available for protection against dangerous animals, I recommend slung over shoulder for easier access.
     
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    Weapon Regulations

    Possession or use of firearms or other weapons in all National Park System (NPS) areas is prohibited (except as otherwise provided in the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36 parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations). With rare exception (such as times when controlled hunting is allowed) weapons are to be dismantled completely and cased while visiting in NPS areas in the United States. In order to transport weapons through NPS areas they must be dismantled and adequately cased or packed in such a way as to prevent their use. Loaded weapons are subject to confiscation by park authorities.

    Please contact the Chief Ranger or Superintendent of the park(s) you will be visiting for additional information concerning weapons, traps and nets.

    Following is a reprint from the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36 - Parks, Forests, and Public Property. It is Section 2.4 Weapons, Traps and Nets.

    Code of Federal Regulations
    Title 36, Volume 1, Parts 1 to 199
    [Revised as of July 1, 1998]
    From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
    [CITE: 36CFR2.4] [Page 19-20]
    TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY

    CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
    PART 2--RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION

    Sec. 2.4 Weapons, traps and nets.
    (a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net (2) Weapons, traps or nets may be carried, possessed or used: (i) At designated times and locations in park areas where: (A) The taking of wildlife is authorized by law in accordance with Sec. 2.2 of this chapter; (B) The taking of fish is authorized by law in accordance with Sec. 2.3 of this part. (ii) When used for target practice at designated times and at facilities or locations designed and constructed specifically for this purpose and designated pursuant to special regulations. (iii) Within a residential dwelling. For purposes of this subparagraph only, the term ``residential dwelling'' means a fixed housing structure which is either the principal residence of its occupants, or is occupied on a regular and recurring basis by its occupants as an alternate residence or vacation home. (3) Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use. (b) Carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle, vessel or other mode of transportation is prohibited, except that carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a vessel is allowed when such vessel is not being propelled by machinery and is used as a shooting platform in accordance with Federal and State law. (c) The use of a weapon, trap or net in a manner that endangers persons or property is prohibited. (d) The superintendent may issue a permit to carry or possess a weapon, trap or net under the following circumstances: (1) When necessary to support research activities conducted in accordance with Sec. 2.5. (2) To carry firearms for persons in charge of pack trains or saddle horses for emergency use. (3) For employees, agents or cooperating officials in the performance of their official duties. (4) To provide access to otherwise inaccessible lands or waters contiguous to a park area when other means of access are otherwise impracticable or impossible. Violation of the terms and conditions of a permit issued pursuant to this paragraph is prohibited and may result in the suspension or revocation of the permit. (e) Authorized Federal, State and local law enforcement officers may carry firearms in the performance of their official duties. (f) The carrying or possessing of a weapon, trap or net in violation of applicable Federal and State laws is prohibited. (g) The regulations contained in this section apply, regardless of land ownership, on all lands and waters within a park area that are under the legislative jurisdiction of the United States. [48 FR 30282, June 30, 1983, as amended at 49 FR 18450, Apr. 30, 1984; 52 FR 35240, Sept. 18, 1987]

     
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    for quite a while now.

    i found this out a couple years ago when i moved up here.

    some states have specific exemptions, but WA doesnt.
     
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    interesting. What are considered "National Parks" here in WA? :noes:
     
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    (g) The regulations contained in this section apply, regardless of land ownership, on all lands and waters within a park area that are under the legislative jurisdiction of the United States. [48 FR 30282, June 30, 1983, as amended at 49 FR 18450, Apr. 30, 1984; 52 FR 35240, Sept. 18, 1987]
     
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    oakie my ninja.

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    Mt. Rainier Nat'l Park
    Mt. Baker Nat'l Park
    Mt. Baker - Snoqualmie Nat'l Park
    Mt. St. Helens Nat'l Park
    Hurricane Ridge Nat'l Park


    just about everywhere in the cascades and olympics is a national park, with just a few gaps in between. the foothills are not parks, though... North Bend being an example. just stay away from the Snoqualmie River and Falls as those are national parks/preserves.

    Nat'l Parks are denoted by the pronounced brown sings with yellow writing that say "Welcome to XXXXX National Park" or "You are now in XXXX National Park".
     
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    I don't expect to be attacked by anyone out in the middle of nowhere in MA. Also, I don't need every person on the street calling the cops because they see someone with a gun on their pack. Especially in my town, people call the cops for the stupidest things. A "suspeicious van" marked "Mass Electric" parked by the side of the road, with people outside working on the powerlines, a "suspicious character" taking a walk along side the road in the middle of the afternoon, a dog being spotted in a persons back yard, etc. So a kid with a gun, they'd go nuts over that. I just want to have a gun with me in case I get lost and have to hunt for my food, or if I have to set up camp in case it gets too dark before I get off the trail, since if I'm going to be attacked, it'll most likely be at night.
     
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    Well damn, i been up in the Mt. Baker Nat'l Park quite a few times. I'm always see and hear lots of guns going off. Tons of shells up there. Interesting.
     
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    I know they couldn't get me in any legal trouble, but it would just be too much of a hassle. I'd consider putting the gun together once I'm in the woods, but as long as its legal, I'd like to keep my gun out of view from all the neighbors as I'm making my way to the trail. Keep in mind, I'm not in Kentucky or Pennsylvania, I'm in Massachusetts, home of John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, and all the people around here hate guns as much as they do. The cops around here don't even know what's legal and what isn't. Several cops have told me that AKs and variants were illegal here, but they aren't.
     
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    Anybody have a link to the no firearm in national parks? Trying to find it to read about it, but not getting any hits.
     
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    Just get a lil .410 snake charmer, no one would balk about that being strapped to your backpack. I have .20 ga. that folds in half/pistol grip single shot just for that purpose and i dont take it apart. just keep shells in my pocket if needed and its strapped to my back. Open carry in a state forest(here anyway) no one cares.
     
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    These appear to be the only "National Parks" listed :dunno::confused:

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