Cliff's at bottom. I'm trying my hardest to be objective here, but please tell me if I'm writing this from a victim mentality or being an arrogant prick or something. Seriously. I think I could be a decent PUA. I'm pretty sure that, with practice, I could go say and do the right things to get laid. And on one level, I think that would be fucking awesome. But I would feel like I was selling myself out. It seems like everything I try to intentionally do/accomplish/strive for in my life pushes me in the opposite direction of someone who is successful with women. For example: I am extremely frugal with money. I'm 26, I make a decent salary. I have no debt. I invest most of my income. I trade stocks and have two retirement accounts. Now, to me, in my AFC/NiceGuy/whatever mindset, I consider this to be a good thing. HOWEVER, because I'm not a baller, because I drive a paid off 02 Civic instead of a BMW or Mercedes or whatever, because I don't go blow $100s of dollars on limos/drinks/parties every weekend, I lose "social coolness points." Most people do not say "wow, that guy is good with money. That's so sexy!" Instead, they're attracted to the guy with the sweet car who's living paycheck to paycheck. And I find the people attracted to that person to be stupid, and therefore unattractive (even if they're HB10s). Now, the "selling myself out" part. Sure, I could go pay cash for a nice convertible sports car tomorrow, if I wanted, and it would probably bump me up a few points on the cool-o-meter, but that would take away from my goal of accumulating wealth and retiring ASAP, so I don't want to. So, because I make a choice here that is better for my own personal future, I'm penalized socially. That's fucked up. And most girls would be more attracted to the DB in the M3 convertible (who is seriously in debt and living paycheck to paycheck) than to the smart guy (me) in the paid off car who considers the financial implications 10 years from now of his actions today. Now, I realize the type of girl I'm talking about here isn't good gf/wife material, anyway, but this is the majority of women in society, and that pisses me off, too. Now, rather than making this post too much longer, just take that concept I just illustrated and extrapolate it to apply to any facet of life you can apply it to. Here's a formula to help you: I come up with something to improve my life --> I take the steps to do this --> I lose coolness points because most people don't realize why my action/decisions are better than most people's actions/decisions. Holy fuck that sounded arrogant... Instead it has the reverse effect. People think what I do is weird, and I lose coolness points, or I'm constantly DLVing myself, even tho I know that my actions will benefit me better than if I did what everyone else does. So this is what I struggle with. I could do all this shit that other people do, that seems to bring them great success socially and with ladies, but I'd feel so stupid doing it that I can't bring myself to. I'm trying really hard here to not turn this into any more of a misanthropic rant and blame it on everyone else's stupidity... But fuck, I'd like some attention some times. I'd like to have people (dudes and chicks) be like "damn, that guy is fucking awesome" and not have it be based on something like what car I drive, or the label on my shirt, or because I'm playing guitar or something. Ok. Let me have it. Cliff's: The decisions I make to improve/better my life actually hurt me socially.