when i was stacking ECY when this all started I got Vasopro and it worked well, shedding a good amount of fat. I was about to get on it again since i started back up in the gym but i found this on bulknutrition. http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=193 this stuff any good or is it too much? http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 <- vasopro still better? thanks, guys.