GUN What does WMD think about a .223 Saiga for varmint, maybe deer hunting.

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  1. springy101

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    I've always wanted a Saiga, and after looking at all the accessories I have decided I want to get one and add a skeleton stock, scope, and maybe bipod. In the end I would hope it looks like this (except a more modest scope)

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    How do think this would do for range and plinking, as well as some coyote, wildcat, rabbit or deer hunting?
     
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    I don't know much about that particular rifle, but .223 is a little small for Deer hunting. Should be fine for smaller game, though.

    Don't get me wrong, .223 will get the job done with correct shot placement (i.e. the head). Hell, I killed my first deer with a .22 Hornet. It's just not ideal.
     
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    Deer is the least of my worries though, I never have been and don't really plan on it. Just in case though, can't some heavier grain .223 rounds take out deer pretty easy?
     
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    Good ammo and proper shot placement it'll take deer down, Its illegal in my state to use on deer, will work good for all your other wants though.
     
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    With a caliber that small, accuracy and shot placement are going to be crucial. A direct shot to the head, heart, spine, etc. should drop it. Miss a vital organ though, and there's a chance it's going to be running quite a ways before it goes down.
     
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    Aren't the most common deer shots in the "armpit" area behind their front legs, depending what angle you are shooting from, so that they penetrate the heart and lungs?
     
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    my grandfather slayed many a whitetails using some old bolt .223
     
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    .223 is inferior for deer.
     
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    If you're going to go .223 you may as well go AR, especially if you're going to get a set up like above.


    That said, a .223 will do ok on deer with a good heavy ballistic tip bullet and proper shot placement under 100yds.
     
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    AR's are mucho expensive, Saigas are very cheap.
     
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    If I was going to get a Saiga, I wouldn't go with the .223. Look at the 7.62 or .308 version instead if deer hunting was one of it's planned uses.

    If you aren't going to do deer, then .223 for varmints.
     
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    If your a decent shot it'll do the job, one of my concerns would be any good hunting ammo is going to have rather soft primers in comparison to what the AK's were meant for, risk of a slam fire rises a bit. I'd consider a 5.45 rifle, several guys over on the akforums have been using 7n6 against deer with some rather devastating results to the deers organs. But yeah a .308 SAIGA would work quite well for the required jobs too.
     
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    seems like a poor choice, imo. I'd say go for a .270 or .308 for a better all-purpose hunting rifle.

    me personally I'd rather pickup a .308win /.30-06sprng /.300win mag for the bigger stuff and a .22LR for the smaller stuff.

    Two rifles trumps one, right?
     
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    Here's my coyote rig in .22-250. I also killed two deer with it this past season, but neither of the shots were long. This is probably the smallest caliber I'd use for deer, and even then only head shots.

    Just strapped on the burlap this morning. :cool:

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    Those caliber bullets also cost a lot more, the purpose of this rifle is 1 cheap gun that I can do a lot with while still affordable.
     
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    .223 isn't very cheap these days. I'd go with 7.62X39 or 30-06 then
     
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    Military surplus 7.62 won't nearly be as accurate as .223 will it?
     
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    Milsurp x51 will be more accurate then some of the cheap .223(wolf, s&b bears) If you want cheap ammo that will do the jobs you listed look for something in 5.45, SAIGA isn't offering any 5.45's at the moment, but there were some 5.45 VEPR's, you being in Cali I don't know where VEPR stands on the ban list though.
     
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    7.62x51 is .308 isn't it? Hows the accuracy with 7.62x39?
     
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    yeah x51 is .308, x39 accuracy can vary by rifle a saiga's should be alright, wont be shooting sub moa groups but I'm confident enough with most of my AK's to usem on deer, 5.45 and 5.56 will have a bit better accuracy, of the 3 5.45 ammo is the cheapest about $125 per 1080rd's at the moment vs $185ish for a case of x39, not sure what Wolf or Silver Bear 5.56 is going for at the moment $2xx I imagine.

    I've been wanting a .223 varient AK myself but current ammo prices on it are holding me back, I have a fair amount of brass cased stuff stocked up but AK's aren't so good for reloading they murder the brass. :hs:
     
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    you're looking at .223 and cheap .223 is generally an oxymoron. The least expensive .223 is shitty, too.


    My point is that you get a .308win (as an example) and that's your medium-game hunting rifle, and then you get a .22LR. In the end you have TWO rifles (obviously better than 1) and each is better-suited for it's particular use... And with how fucking cheap .22LR is you'll be better off financially after less than 1000rnds...

    Example:

    1200rnd .223rem ~$500
    Saiga .223 ~$300
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    ~$800 for rifle and ammo

    1000rnds .22LR ~$25
    200rnds .308win ~$110
    Marlin 60 ~130
    Tikka T3 .308win ~$530
    ==================
    ~$795 for rifles and ammo


    So after a mere 1200 rounds, you will SAVE money with TWO rifles. Fun for you and fun for a friend, plus the .22LR will be SOOOOO much cheaper at the range. And 200 rounds will allow plenty of practice shots and sight-in while hunting generally uses less than 5 rounds.

    Bottom line, you're better off financially to buy two rifles, and each rifle will be better for it's respective task than one all-purpose rifle that is poor at both. Plus, you're getting two NICE rifles. The Marlin 60 is supurb, and the Tikka T3 is amazing.
     
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    I already have a .22LR rifle and a crap ton of ammo, the look of a Dragunov style rifle intrigues me though. I must have one.
     
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    If you want a deer/varmint gun look at a .25-06
     
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    Don't be that guy and deerhunt with a .223 - that is kind of asinine.
     

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