GUN Well Damnit.. need another gun

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  1. Want2race

    Want2race Fearless

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    I decided that I'm tired of carrying my XD45c because my back kills me!
    I wear an IWB holster by high noon and my back kills at the end of the day. I dont think a holsters going to fix this :(

    So whats the hot CCW gun of the moment ? whats the most comfortable?

    Im 6.3 and 180lbs (today)
     
  2. vettefan52

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    my subcompact glock feels good :dunno: plus its a glock. you cant lose.
     
  3. thomor25

    thomor25 I make money online....

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    haven't held it but the para carry 9, and the walther pps. pps is polymer and slim and lightweight. para carry 9 is a small frame 1911 so it will be all metal.

    report - walther PPS
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    for a long time now ive sought a "deep cover" gun that i could carry with confidence, and conceal with relative ease on light dress days. many weapons came close to being exactly what i wanted, but none fit all my needs. the closest i had come was the springfield EMP, but that it wont cycle +P loads ruled that one out. the g26 is a great weapon, but to thick for a pocket gun. many manufacturers build fine sub-compacts (and i own an XD sub-compact) but just like the g26 the dang things are thick as bricks. i was elated when i learned of the new walther PPS and i did a mad search trying to find one. about a week or so ago a dealer in missoula montana found three at a distributor and i promptly placed my order. i got a call today from my local dealer telling me that my new PPS had arrived. i dropped everything and left work with high hopes. [​IMG]


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    i was quite surprised when i opened the shipping box to find what i believe to be the nicest factory carry case ive seen. the bright aluminum case is well constructed.


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    the weapon comes complete with three magazines, an eight round, a seven round, and a six round with the only difference being the size of the finger rest. the eight round felt best in my hand, and the seven round was pretty decent too. i dont much care for the 6 round since it offers no finger support and i prefer a full grip, but i can see how it would be convenient for slipping into the front pocket. the weapon also comes with two backstraps. the smaller one fits smaller hands and gives you a more american grip angle. the larger one for larger hands gives you more of a european grip angle somewhat similar to glocks. the weapon also comes with an owners manual, a lock, a spent shell casing, and the target that the weapon was tested into.


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    xd9 sub-compact beside the PPS


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    glock 19 beside the PPS


    the PPS stands for "Police Pistol Slim and as you can see from the pictures, it is indeed slim. the weapon is so slim in fact that it felt awkward at first. the size is more closely comparable to a walther P22 than it is other sub-compact 9mms.


    at the range: i left the dealer where i picked up my weapon and headed to another dealer for some defensive ammunition (dealer #1 only stocks somewhat over-priced target ammunition). i got 80 rounds of corbon 115 grain +P (holy smokes this stuff sizzles at 1350 fps!) and 20 rounds of corbon 125 grain +P (dang respectable at 1250 fps!). i then headed over to walmart to pick up 400 rounds of 115 grain WWB. i raced to the range to beat dusk, and loaded up all three magazines with 115 grain corbon +P jhp. i selected my target and began shooting. the first thing i noticed was how hot the corbons were! i own several 9mms but typically shoot 125 grain corbons. this was my first time shooting the 115 grain versions and they almost remind me of 125 grain .357 sig corbon loads. once i got used to the recoil (wasnt bad) the weapon settled in nicely....until my 21st. round. after the 20th round the slide locked back and the slide lock wouldnt release. i put a mini-screwdriver in to leverage it a little and it released. i loaded up some WWB and after my first shot the slide again locked back on the slide lock and it would not release again. i unloaded it and inspected it and saw no damage. at this point i decided that its not a break-in issue and have decided to ship my new weapon back to walther for repairs. upon closer inspection it appears that the spring popped off the slide stop and is sitting underneath the slide stop lever preventing it from going down far enough to disengage. i could pop the spring back on, but if it came off after only 20 rounds it will surely come off again eventually and id rather walther make a real fix.

    what i like:

    - fit and finish appear perfect on this weapon. there is no visible flaw anywhere and i can usually spot something even if its a simple machine mark.

    - the size is perfect for concealed carry. you could stick this weapon dang near anywhere comfortably. the thickness (or lack thereof) is exactly what i was looking for.

    - the different size magazines make this weapon adaptable to any style of dress

    - asthetically this weapon is beautiful, although this doesnt matter at all to me.

    - the oversize magazine release works great.

    - the weapon feeds very smooth. no "clunk-clunk" when you release the slide.

    - recoil is almost non-existant. i expected the hot corbons to recoil more severly in such a little weapon, but the dual recoil spring did a great job soaking it up.


    what i dont like:

    - it broke! i know that any manufacturer can make mistakes on production weapons....even walther....and with this being an all new design growing pains are to be expected. still, im quite disappointed.

    - i dont much care for the backstrap safety. when you remove the backstrap it renders the weapon unusable. while this sounds great in theory, to me it seems like over-complicating the weapon, giving it an unnecessary failure point.

    bottom line: its to early to tell. ill ship the weapon off to walther for repairs and try again. ill update once i have my weapon back.

    i didnt mention trigger, and wont until ive had a chance to really try it out.
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  4. Paul Revere

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    damn that looks cool :eek5:
     
  5. AB13

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    For CCW, I've carried a Smith J Frame for 10 years and of all the new guns that come out, it's never been replaced. Everytime, everywhere. With two bianchi strips.

    if you want an Auto, and looking for knock down power, I'd suggest the Para Wart Hog.

    http://www.paraord.com/product/product.html?id=7

    if I had to pack an Auto for CCW, I'd go with a Glock 23. It's all about shot placement.
     
  6. 2L Bunny

    2L Bunny "It's only a Rabbit"

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    What kind of belt are you using? I've found a good solid belt to spread out the weight and help my back on long days.
     
  7. bigboostdsm

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    The PPS is pretty fuckin badass :cool:

    Have you tried a shoulder holster maybe? Or get a jframe and ankle carry?

    Anythings a good excuse to get a new gun :big grin:
     
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    I carry a full size XD IWB at 4:00 and my back doesn't start hurting till after 17-18 hours, that's usually after the kydex starts to dig in to my skin and itch after 15-16 hours...
     
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