GUN Weapons failed US troops during Afghan firefight

Discussion in 'On Topic' started by Buzz Killington, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington nunc fortunatus sum

    Joined:
    May 6, 2001
    Messages:
    147,893
    Likes Received:
    209
    Location:
    The Residency, Lucknow
  2. I read that. Basically 2 guns went down, then they spend the rest of the article rehashing old "these guns must be kept really clean" crap.
     
  3. Admitted

    Admitted I shouldn't be on OT right now.

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    7,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Lawl School
    I have an upper that I am wanting to replace. Maybe I'll do a sand/mud test and see how it does.
     
  4. PlutoBHG

    PlutoBHG New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    5,628
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Somewhere out there (Houston=home)
    Very true...just shooting for a refresher in kuwait we had about 10 out of 45 rifles seize up and have to be cleaned...
     
  5. Matt2000ss

    Matt2000ss OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2002
    Messages:
    12,567
    Likes Received:
    42
    Location:
    Dallas, Tx
    shoulda started picking up Aks from the dead attackers
     
  6. Paul Revere

    Paul Revere OT Supporter

    Joined:
    May 19, 2003
    Messages:
    38,929
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Cali-NO NFA-fornia
    it was 1 of 2 problems (or maybe 2 of 2 problems):

    1) the gas tubes were not cleaned at regular intervals

    and/or

    2) no larue
     
  7. GarandBobcat

    GarandBobcat New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    Messages:
    1,640
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Merced Co., CA
    :rofl:
    :squint:
     
  8. GlassUser

    GlassUser send an email not a pm OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2003
    Messages:
    265,123
    Likes Received:
    142
    Location:
    Pearland, Texas
    The army just needs to develop self-cleaning weapons.
     
  9. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  10. GarandBobcat

    GarandBobcat New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    Messages:
    1,640
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Merced Co., CA
    Amusingly, that's how the original M16s were presented to the troops (despite Colt never saying that to the brass).

    "This rifle is self-cleaning, that's why we didn't give you a cleaning kit!"

    The gas system is indeed self-cleaning, just...not the rest. Of course, by the time any info came down to grunt level, it was all twisted around and wrong.
     
  11. Paul Revere

    Paul Revere OT Supporter

    Joined:
    May 19, 2003
    Messages:
    38,929
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Cali-NO NFA-fornia
    what
     
  12. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    Sounds like maybe it's not crap.
     
  13. GarandBobcat

    GarandBobcat New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    Messages:
    1,640
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Merced Co., CA
    Or maybe the troops whose rifles failed HADN'T been keeping them clean or lubed properly?
    You know, the same reason that the M16A1 had teething problems in Vietnam: Lack of PMCS, lubrication, proper training on maintenance.
     
  14. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    Um, that's what I said. If the guns aren't kept really clean, they don't work. Unlike their Russian counterparts.
     
  15. It's pretty well known that the main issue is lubrication, not necessarily keeping the gun spotless.
     
  16. GlassUser

    GlassUser send an email not a pm OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2003
    Messages:
    265,123
    Likes Received:
    142
    Location:
    Pearland, Texas
    Just lube it up extra! Coat all the internals in oil!
     
  17. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    How often does an AK malfunction because it wasn't lubed?
     
  18. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    From the same article...

     
  19. Let's compare apples to oranges.
     
  20. Paul Revere

    Paul Revere OT Supporter

    Joined:
    May 19, 2003
    Messages:
    38,929
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Cali-NO NFA-fornia
    and?

    ive seen vids of people shooting AKs until the handguards catch on fire. probably would be as equally hard to use one in that condition, right?
     
  21. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    You're right. A rifle that soldiers depend on on the battlefield is completely different from a rifle that soldiers depend on on the battlefield.

    Yes, they have different designs. One fails in battle, and the other doesn't. That's sort of my point.
     
  22. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    When the handguards caught on fire did they jam?





    No.
     
  23. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2003
    Messages:
    299,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    I fired my mini-14 until the stock melted. But it kept firing.
     
  24. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    9,041
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Illinois
    thats different, thats a mercy killing

    you're taking those news articles to be worth a damn though? "it got hot...so ummm it jammed" well great diagnosis there professor
     
  25. phrozenlikwid

    phrozenlikwid New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2007
    Messages:
    5,709
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NKY
    You really need to shoot more AK's if you think they are infallible. I've seen several choke, and I'm sure anyone who hangs out in the competition/training circles has seen more.




    As I said elsewhere, I'll put money down that this article somehow ties back to HK.
     

Share This Page