GUN Wal-Mart to film and keep a log ofgun sales in bid to fight crime

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    Wal-Mart to film US gun sales in bid to fight crime
    Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:55pm EDT


    NEW YORK, April 14 (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the world's largest retailer, unveiled plans on Monday to film its gun sales in the United States and create a computerized log of purchases in a bid to stop guns falling into the wrong hands.

    Wal-Mart, which is the largest seller of firearms in the United States, agreed a 10-point code, which also includes rigid inventory controls, with a bipartisan coalition of Mayors Against Illegal Guns led by New York's Michael Bloomberg.

    The retailer said it will develop a first-of-its-kind computerized crime gun trace log that will flag purchases by customers who have previously bought guns later recovered in crimes.

    "Wal-Mart currently uses a strong point of sale system," said J.P. Suarez, senior vice president and chief compliance officer of Wal-Mart. "This code is a way for us to fine-tune the things we're already doing and further strengthen our standards. We hope other retailers will join us."

    The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership is designed to strengthen the points in the gun purchasing system that criminals have exploited in the past, Wal-Mart and the Mayors Against Illegal Guns said.

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 46 percent of its criminal gun trafficking investigations involved cases in which someone who is not legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so through the use of a proxy, known as a straw buyer. (Reporting by Michelle Nichols; editing by Mohammad Zargham)
     
  2. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

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    This appears to be a pdf of the 10 point plan. http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/walmartguns.pdf

    My personal favorite is number 3.
     
  3. [DWI]

    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    I doesn't surprise me, I bought a lowly 22 bolt at wallyworld and it was the worse gun purchase experience I have had.

    First apparently its game over on the form if you make a mistake, no scratch out no new paper. Secondly in addition to all the information on the 4473 they make you write your phone number on the top corner of the 4473 for some reason they couldn't explain to me. It also took 3 different managers to buy the gun, they paged one to the gun room to unlock it and get a gun out of the back (even though there was one in the case at the counter) then they had to get a manager to do final approval of the sale, and finally they had to get a manager to do a "code 4473" which apparently means carry the gun to the store door for you, at which I couldn't help but smile since I was carrying concealed at the time. I don't know how dirty the "gun room" must be, but the barrel of the gun was so oily and dusty that I couldn't see most of the rifling and the bore looked hairy, not to mention they were less than pleasant while I was inspecting the gun before buying it, saying "of course its a new gun you don't need to inspect it" and the like. I'd rather pay a little extra and deal with a local knowledgeable store or directly with an FFL who will order anything you want, than deal with walmart again.

    I assume they will use this network they are making as a method to refuse firearm sales. I wonder how accurate the logs will be, if they will take into account firearms that were reported lost or stolen and later recovered or if they will simply say anyone who has legally bought a gun from us and has lost it, had it stolen or legally sold it and it later was used in a crime will be all lumped together with the straw purchases and denied.
     
  4. RyeLou

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    Another reason why I don't shop at Walmart. Fuck them and their low prices. I'll give my money away elsewhere.
     
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    Dumbstixlars Ron Paul/AR-15/Glock/old car/Scooby/R/C croo OT Supporter

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    phone# is required by all the local retailers. I don't mind that part.


    I dislike like they track if a firearm was used in a crime and refuse to sell if at one point you were linked with that firearm. What if I sell something to a gun store and that gun store sells it and later there's a domestic problem??? It shouldn't affect me, but Walmart wants it to.

    Walmart also appears to be going anti-gun. They built a new Super Walmart in Eagle Point and it does NOT carry guns. If you're not familiar with the White City/Eagle Point area that this is in, EVERYONE is a hunter. I mean EVERYONE. I asked the manager about it and he said that Walmart is not selling firearms in any new store.
     
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    lt1aggie what?

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    wal mart is a piece of shit. /thread
     
  8. RyeLou

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    Walmart is ran by a bunch of shit heads anyhow. As a big business they have the moral responsibility to do what's best for their community and their idea of this is fucked at best. They treat their employees like garbage, gun owners are criminals, and they love illegal aliens.
     
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    I disagree, I think the community has the responsilbity to do whats best for the community. It seems the communities in general think walmart is doing a fine job with meeting their needs in an acceptable way. The market has spoken.
     
  10. springy101

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    If Wal-Mart wasn't the cheapest fucking place on earth I think things would be a little different. As long as they have the lowest prices they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want and all the cheap bastards around town remain happy.
     
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    Original Sin I'm so hood.

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    I was just at a supercenter in Salem buying some ammo, and didn't see any guns on display (besides paintball). Then again, this was the same store that tried to convince me that I couldn't open carry at all in Salem (I told them to call the cops and they dropped it).
     
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    All Walmart is is a rich citizen in their respected communities. They're just as responsible for what's happening around them as your neighbor. That's why you see businesses joining in fund raisers and donating stuff to local schools and things of that nature. The communities only shop at Walmart because their prices are lower than everyone else and they're hypocrites. In my area anyhow, 90% of the people bitch about Walmart for the reasons I already mentioned, but still go there to save a buck or two.
     
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    And if filet were the same price as hamburger I'd eat a lot more steak but I don't see what that has to do with anything either. Perhaps their atrocities aren't that great then if people are willing to keep shopping there to save a few bucks on toilet paper and pickles.

    But walmart isn't anything at all like my neighbor. I don't pay my neighbors bills and encourage him to stay in the neighborhood. You dismiss low prices as though its some invalid or unimportant reason when its so central to economics. No one wants to drive a geo metro but you do for the price. Now if the cheap car has a habit of blowing up and killing you and then its rusty scrap goes to your house and rapes your pets you might not buy the cheap car. If you just get laughed at a little for driving a crap box you might accept it. The market holds all the power here, if walmart was really that bad they can be forced to change or close by the market. Clearly most people like walmart even if a little walmart hate is trendy.

    Just like you don't blame mcdonalds for the fat guy that says he should be dieting but doesnt, you don't blame walmart for consumers continuing to shop there. If society deems walmarts deed's too unacceptable they are easily forced to change or be put out of business. I think its easy to see that society doesn't think walmart is that bad.

    Walmart hating...its the socialism of 2007! :big grin:
     
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    A) Society is full of idiots.


    B) You bring up a good point in the McDonalds/Walmart comparison. And since I'm sure someone has sued McDonalds for making them fat, maybe I'll get a class action suit against Walmart for making people shop there, haha.
     
  15. Aequitas

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    I wonder how that applies in FL where gun registries are illegal. I also never have, nor ever plan on buying a firearm from Walmart. I prefer to shop locally whenever possible, the customer service tends to be a lot better and it results in an all around better shopping experience, even if it costs a few extra bucks. It's worth it for me to spend the extra $5 to $10 and not leave the store cursing how stupid everyone there is and how it took my 30 minutes to find one thing.
     
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    Does it ban them from ANYONE, or just law enforcement?

    Here, law enforcement isn't allowed to maintain listings.. dunno about anyone else.
     
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    Just another thing to add to my list of reasons NOT to shop at Shartmart.
     
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    I'm not a lawyer, but the bold parts seem to tell me that it would be illegal in florida for walmart to carry out this plan.

    Side note, does anyone know an email for corporate walmart, where I can send an email inquiring if this policy will be implemented in florida?
     
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    You make that sound like it's bad. No guns in Wal-Mart means gunshops have a better chance.
     
  20. Paul Revere

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    or become the only gun store in town giving them a reason to jack their prices :mad::madfawk::wtc:
     
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    I can't buy guns at walmart anyways :dunno:
     
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    I'm confused on your FL problem... The ATF requires the gunshop to maintain a "bound book" detailing all sales... but the law you posted seems to make that illegal.....
     
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    That article stating that Walmart is the largest firearms dealer makes it seem like they sell more guns than any other dealer in the US, which I doubt is true. Some dealers out there move a HELL of a lot of firearms, plus distribute to other dealers.
     
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    (3) EXCEPTIONS.--The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

    d) Firearm records that must be retained by firearm dealers under federal law,
     
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