VS.NET 2003 vs. VS.NET 2005

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  1. hurleyint1386

    hurleyint1386 Someone has sand in their vagina

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    I've got a copy of VS.NET 2003 on hand, however I could get a copy of VS.NET 2005 some time soon. What's the difference between the two? Does anyone prefer one of the other? 2005 is newer, but might be prone to breaking more. I want to start learning C#, and I don't know if any of the syntax is different. I doubt it, but you never know. Thanks a lot.
     
  2. tyrionlannister

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    If you're considering upgrading, you might as well go to 2008
     
  3. hurleyint1386

    hurleyint1386 Someone has sand in their vagina

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    My School has a copy of 2003 and 2005. I don't know if they have 2008 yet. Has it been officially released?
     
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    michelin man IDB Construction

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    exactly what we are in the process of doing.


    no reason not to from the sound of it...
     
  5. michelin man

    michelin man IDB Construction

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    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/default.aspx


    The Wait for Visual Studio 2008 is Over!

    On Monday, Nov. 19, Microsoft announced that Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5 were released to manufacturing (RTM). With more than 250 new features,Visual Studio 2008 includes significant enhancements in every edition, including Visual Studio Express and Visual Studio Team System. Developers of all levels – from hobbyists to enterprise development teams – now have a consistent, secure and reliable solution for developing applications for the latest platforms: the Web, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, the 2007 Office system, and beyond.
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    I'm using the 2008 beta and it's okay. WPF is *not* ready for the masses, imo -- at least not from what the beta shows.
     
  7. Frequency

    Frequency New Member

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    I'm upgrading all my personal projects to 2008.

    2008s greatest feature over 2005 is it allows you to work in any framework 2.0 or newer.
    I've had no problems with 2008 and been using beta for a few months now, upgraded to the release the day of.
    I have not played much with WPF yet
     
  8. hurleyint1386

    hurleyint1386 Someone has sand in their vagina

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    Ok, so I should do 2008, however I get a legal copy from my school for either 2003 or 2005. So maybe my school will upgrade their MSDN subscription and get the new VS.
     
  9. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    Those of you using 2008, does it format html/asp tags any better than the previous versions? There is nothing more frustrating than the IDE trying to "fix" the formatting, and fucking it all up
     
  10. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Am I the only person who still likes compiling to native code?
     
  11. hurleyint1386

    hurleyint1386 Someone has sand in their vagina

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    Personally, I don't like VisualStudio, but I'm not really aware of anything else that can do C#.
     
  12. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    That's because C# is a Microsoft programming language, and the syntax wouldn't work without some kind of framework under it anyway. Use C++ like all the big boys do.
     
  13. whup

    whup I wish you had children and.. so that I could step

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    You can use Visual Studio to compile to native code still.

    Visual Studio 2008 (Orcas) Beta 2 is free for download too if you want to try it.
     
  14. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    check out Mono

    http://www.mono-project.com/

    EDIT: and you don't NEED the visual studio IDE to compile C# code. You can use whatever you want (text editor wise) and use the MS compiler
     
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    hurleyint1386 Someone has sand in their vagina

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    Hmmm, OS X compliant. Sounds like something I'll like. I'll check it out. Thanks!
     
  16. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    You can use VS.NET to compile code that doesn't need .NET to run? :eek3:
     
  17. whup

    whup I wish you had children and.. so that I could step

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    Yes. It's not like Microsoft is going to update their IDE and leave the people that write the native apps that make Windows the dominant OS in the dust.

    It's not called Visual Studio.NET, it's just Visual Studio, so you've been misleading yourself by using that moniker.
     
  18. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Hmm.

    What's even the point of having .NET then? Why not just have a bunch of libraries that are included at compile-time, like every other IDE has?
     
  19. whup

    whup I wish you had children and.. so that I could step

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    Benefits of a managed language (memory management, security etc)

    Language independant (you can use any language supported or ported for .NET including C#, VB.NET, Ruby, PHP, anything) and libraries and code written in any combination of these languages can still interact easily because they're compiled to the same intermediate language.

    Assemblies > DLLs, though DLL hell isn't quite gotten rid of imo. Deployment, compilation, referencing Assemblies, is very easy.

    Superb base class library

    Actually platform independant too, though Microsoft of course have only provided Microsoft platform implementations of their ECMA and ISO specs, while projects like Mono try to provide for other platforms.

    Excellent tools and the source of Microsoft's focus now

    So the question should be why would you drop advantages like these to stick with native over something like .NET, especially for the future. I think the number of arguments for writing something in native over .NET is very very low now and should be looked at very closely.
     
  20. Peyomp

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    Actually, the 'big boys' use the right tool for the right job - and for things C# is good at, C++ BLOWS. The big boys are proficient in multiple languages, and aren't stupid or pathetic enough to measure their dick size based on whether their code compiles or not.

    OR

    The real big boys use assembly. Bitches. Everything else is high level bullshit. Fuck C. Might as well use LUA.
     
  21. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Or you can use VB6/VBScript instead of C#, get the ease-of-use you want, and still not have to fuck with .NET.
     
  22. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    vb6 is still COM based, the libraries are not as extensive as .net, it's not fully OO, the VisualStudio 03,'05, '08 are from this century, and the whole p-code vs native code runtime differences are a PITA with vb6.
     

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