SRS Vicodin / Addiction Questions

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  1. Metal

    Metal Active Member

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    Hi all,

    I'm a recovering alcoholic, been sober now since March 6, 2006 and things are going well. Been going to AA meetings and I have a strong support system that I'm always using.

    With my addictive personality, I am a little concerned about the pain medications I have been prescribed. I was in the hospital for 6 weeks with Necrotizing Fasciitis and had surgery 10 times on my leg to remove it..(You may have seen my thread in the asylum) When I was in the hospital I was in extreme pain to the point I was pretty much in a coma or on strong meds like Fentanyl and Morphine the entire time I was there.

    When I got out they prescribed me Ultram because I still have a great deal of pain in my leg from the surgery and I'm also missing muscles and nerves in the leg because of how much they had to cut out to get rid of the flesh eating bacteria that was in there.

    The Ultram didn't work so they added Neurontin to it to try to ease the pain.. I started taking more and more of both the Ultram and Neurontin and they didnt help, it just seemed like I was taking placebo pills with no pain relief.

    Today I finally got really fed up with not having pain relief (I'm not trying to get high, but I am an addict so I always need to keep that in mind.. I just want to manage my pain to a point so I can function again.) I've heard Vicodin is addictive but my doctor said this will probably do a good job on getting rid of the pain, because I had it in the hospital and never complained. What do you think about me taking it? Also I've never had a problem with prescription medications, only alcohol, but I know I could be addicted to meds. I don't know the dosage yet - I'll know in an hour or so when I pick it up and post it in here.. I'd like to hear some comments..

    Update: Vicodin 5/500

    Thanks,
    Craig
     
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  2. Colonel Panic

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    First, congratulations on your sobriety.

    I hope your doctor knows of your alcoholism. Vicodin is an opiate and will trigger the same pleasure receptors as alcohol.

    I think their first concern would be that you don't go through a 2 week script in 2 days. The only vicodin addicts I met in rehab have since relapsed and all the heroin addicts I met started on vikes.

    I've only been sober 2 days longer than you, but I've learned enough to know that you could be headed for trouble. Good luck.
     
  3. Metal

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    Yup, he is well aware of it and actually helped me through it many times over the past few years.

    It's only my first day on the vicodins and I took less than the prescribed amount so I'm off to a good start, I hope.. Thanks for the advice :)
     
  4. buninader

    buninader SMILE!!! I just got ******!!!

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    take it as perscribed, have someone else hold onto it
     
  5. soujiro

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    Well, i was taking it for pain control after having brain surgery on december 2005. I didn't enjoy taking it, because i didn't feel any pain while on them, and i knew that it meant that my body was becoming accustomed to having it so that I would feel alright.

    The body is an amazing machine, and will adapt to anything.

    Well, after I was done taking them, I didn't taper of off them, but I can tell you, I felt like utter shit. But I'm alright now. If you can avoid taking them, do so. They will become part of your body's normal processes.
     
  6. Metal

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    Thanks, I'm trying to stay away from them.. but they are the only thing so far that gets rid of my pain.. and I'm on the lowest dose so I'm using them as prescribed and even less than that..
     
  7. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Sorry to hear about you medical condition. I would have responded sooner but I just joined OT.

    I too had difficulty taking pain meds at various times in my sobriety. However, when you are in pain it can be debilitating. I've had my wisdom teeth taken out surgically and I only used non-narcotic pain meds...yes sometimes you have to ask specifically for non-narcotic pain meds. They do work.

    Next when I was in a severe car accident I had to take pain meds and they were very strong....stronger then vicodin. HOwever, my brother watched me and told me when he thought I should get off them and I did. I still took vicodin but I followed the perscription. I would suggest that you never, ever take a vicodin just in case....you know....just in case you start to hurt. That to me is a sure sign of addiction.

    Also, follow the prescription exactly. Non-narcotic pain relievers sometimes take awhile to build up levels in the body where they then become much more effective so it's important to follow a schedule.

    Also, if you've been sober since March you should have a sponsor by now. Be sure to be open and honest about your med use. Sponsors are not doctors and if your sponsor tells you one thing and your doc tells you another, please follow your doctors advice....they have years of training and really are trying to help.

    Finally, it helped me to realize that although I needed pain meds and I was worried about them triggering my desire to drink again, I had to realize something....it was not me that got me sober. It was my higher power - doing for me what I couldn't do for myself. I prayed and asked my higher power to help me and to help keep me from becomming addicted to the pain meds.

    I hope you are already feeling better...if not, I hope you get better soon.
     
  8. Metal

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    :werd: This is a good post. However, I have been taking the Vicodin and Percocets because that is the only way I can relieve myself from the pain, especially post-surgery.. and even on regular days I can barely function if I'm not helping my body get over the pain..

    You may be right that I shouldn't have ever touched any type of potentially addictive pain medicine because of the fact that I am an alcoholic.

    Good news is that I am going to a pain management specialist and a psychiatrist this week.. and they are completely aware of how much I am taking of each medication as well as being aware of the fact that I'm an alcoholic.. So I hope I can get on some non-narcotics or at least figure out some alternative way to manage long-term chronic pain.

    I'll let you know how it goes; because I can see how this can be a pretty touchy subject especially for an alcoholic who has a serious injury like myself and needs a way to treat it... For example, I used to treat anything that hurt me with alcohol and it has been turning into treating the pain with prescription narcotics :noes: :noes:

    Addiction is a disease, and it's one hell of a bitch to deal with - but I'm not prepared to let it get me that close to death again.
     
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    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Oh I agree that sometimes we have to take narcotic pain meds to help us heal. It's sometimes the only things that will help. However, others (such as loved ones and/or sponsors) can alert us if they think we are not behaving in a sober manner. This doesn't relieve our responsibility for our sobriety...just sometimes they can see things we don't.

    One thing I found very helpful was to "examine my motives". I would ask myself, "Am I taking this because I need it or because I want it?" For me that's where the rigorous honesty part of the program is sooo important. Hell there's noone else around, I might as well be honest with myself. If the answer is because I want them or becuase I "MIGHT" start hurting, I usually hold off and ask my higher power to help me.

    I've been through a lot of counseling in recovery and my 1 suggestion is to be open and honest with them about every area of your life. This has helped me sooo much over the years.

    Yes addiction is a disease and it's cunning, baffeling and powerful. A guy in my group likes to say, our disease is out in the hall doing push ups while we are in these meetings. But the nice thing is, you aren't the only one that's living and suffering from addiction. Together we are stronger and I believe we always have our higher power with us.

    I'll be praying for your speedy recovery.
     
  10. Metal

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    Well I'd rather not have pills or this flesh eating bacteria trauma at all... I dont WANT them but I NEED them in order to function...

    I can't get out of bed or walk around without having pain relief.. I can't even sit still in a chair and be comfortable any longer! If you saw the wound, you'd understand why..
    Also I've been told 'why be in pain these days when there are so many things you can do to take care of it'

    I am the only one that knows what my pain feels like and I can't understand why people think I would make up this pain... if you saw me unclothed and saw the extent of my wound you would know why I need pain medication... I feel like walking in and showing everyone that disagrees with me the size of the wound and how much it hurt me and now causes chronic pain!

    I dont see how it really interferes, I know that I am and always will be an alcoholic, Im even thinking about a drink right now, but I'm not gonna have it, because I just dont drink...
    Back to how people think my pain medicine interferes, it doesnt, because I'm still 93 days sober without a drink... how does taking tylenol with a little extra kick in it for pain make me violate my sobriety from alcohol?? COME ON!!
    Look up Necrotizing Fasciitis on the Internet then tell me what you think.. and tell me how FLESH EATING BACTERIA CANT POSSIBLY HURT... HELLO PEOPLE? Sorry if I'm over-doing it on this, but no one seems to understand that the pain I have is REAL.. I dont think it's possible to get any more real than this.. it has been compared to cancer pain many times and well, thats about the top of the list, besides death which I was seconds away from... k thx
     
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  11. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Oh man...I think you may have misintrepreted my posts and I apologize for upsetting you...it was not my intent.

    I looked up your condition and my heart goes out to you. I was NOT saying do NOT take narcotic pain meds. I apologize if that came across...what I was saying is that I completly understand that they are necessary at times.

    I can't possibly know how painful your condition is but I'm sure the pain is worse then anything I've ever experienced.

    My posts were to try and share my experinces with narcotic pain meds and hopefully help you judge if you need to stop taking them or not. I also wanted to assure you that just because you need them, does NOT mean that you have lost your sobriety date or that you are hooked on them.

    I seems as though my previous posts have upset you and I'm very sorry for that. It was seriously not my intent.
     
  12. Metal

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    Coottie, your previous posts have not upset me at all, sorry if I came across that way as well... I have just been a little upset with myself and other people not understanding what I am going through..

    Your post was actually helpful and it did not upset me; I was just voicing my opinion in general and venting for the most part... more about people OFF of this message board that I'm involved with in my daily life.. such as my doctors, friends, and family not thinking that I need the pain meds.

    For example, I had a certain family member take all of my pain meds out of my posession while I was out of the area where I keep them one day. I felt like that family memeber had gone behind my back and may have thought I was abusing them instead of coming to my face and saying it like an adult. I am 21 years old and I have the right to take whichever medications I wish as well as pick and choose my own Doctors.. Yes, this family member was concerned with how many pain meds I have, but once I explained it and had my doctors and surgeons explain it, my family members still did not understand the pain I was in and why I was taking the pain medication so frequently.

    Well, by now most people in Road to Recovery and The Asylum proably pretty much know why I take the pain meds - for my Necrotizing Fasciitis condition that caused me long-term chronic pain.. Nobody knows what the pain feels like besides myself and it is very hard to explain it most of the time on a scale of 1-10 and things like that, those are just silly if you ask me :rofl: I also still have a great deal of the wound on my leg that is still open, draining, bleeding, and infected with bacteria - just adds to the pain (some people ::cough, cough:: that I know, decide that I shouldn't be in pain because I got released from the hospital - they don't even listen to the Doctors/Nurses/Surgeons, etc..about how I am the only one that can explain the pain!! I don't care if the damn pills or whatever get me high, I just want to get on with life - this has been a major setback for me, I can't even graduate college on time now.. but I can't complain too much because I am lucky to be alive after making it through my body shutting down into septic shock, going into a coma, and having flesh-eating bacteria eating away at me while my organs continued to shut down! That's why pain is such a hot issue with me and it pushes my buttons - I should be the advocate for myself and if the medical staff is not willing to work with me it is time to move on to some more competent people.. I don't think I'm the only person in the world with legitimate chronic-pain that is going to be lasting long term and will need a great deal of attention to get it under control.. Thats what they get paid for, correct? OK, now I'm just rambling because I can't sleep - guess why I can't sleep - it's because as soon as I lay down in bed I have terrible stabbing pain in my groin and hip areas.. the doctor gave some kind of weak sleeping pill to help with that... Obviously doesn't work if I took it 3 hours ago and I'm still awake on OT :rofl:

    Hopefully the pain management specialist that I see on Thursday can tell me that I'm on the right track for now or he can switch me over to something else. I'm willing to try anything that will make me comfortable and able to move on with my life instead of sitting still all day long. Time for a new doc if the pain management specialist can't do anything better for me!


    Cliffs: No cliffs available, have to read the post to see what I'm getting at. :x:
     
  13. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    Ok good I'm glad I didn't upset you. Hang in there man...that's a lot of crap to have to deal with at such a young age.

    And your comment about your family thinks you shouldn't be in pain because you have been released from the hospital is kinda like a girl I once knew that thought she still had money in her account because she still had checks. :uh:
     
  14. Metal

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    yup :rofl: :ugh: :sadwavey:
     

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