MIL very few MOH awarded in Iraq/Ghan

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  1. py1013

    py1013 New Member

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    curious to know why there have been so few medal of honor's awarded in Iraq and Afghanistan since the war started in 2003....

    is it because of "mission accomplished" in 2003 saying it's over?

    in australia we only awarded 4 of them ( aussie equivalent, Victoria Cross ) in vietnam for 11 years and 50000 troops, i believe the US awarded 246 for 2 million plus troops?

    ps, i got interested in this by listening to the very good pritzker military library podcasts.....
     
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  2. Pusan

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    Because they are hard to get thats what makes them special.
     
  3. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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  4. MrRyan

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    Thread re-opened. Congress has asked DoD to come back to them and answer this very same question. Check the Army Times - disproportionate number of awards NOT being given for this conflict.
     
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    sgtmaj kasal should have received the MoH IMO. Politics has alot to do with it.
     
  6. thekinggovernor

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    any idea why he didn't
     
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    MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (May 4, 2006) -- Sgt. Maj. Bradley A. Kasal feels he did what any good Marine would’ve done.

    That includes taking enemy rifle fire on Nov. 14, 2004, absorbing a grenade blast and refusing medical attention inside Fallujah’s “House of Hell” during Operation Al Fajr (New Dawn).

    For his extraordinary heroism and leadership in Fallujah, Iraq, as the Weapons Company first sergeant for 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Kasal was awarded the Navy Cross during a ceremony here Monday.

    “The word hero is tossed around pretty loosely these days,” said Maj. Gen. Michael R. Lehnert, Commanding General of Marine Corps Installations West, after awarding Kasal with the Naval service’s second-highest decoration, in front of an audience that included the 1st Marine Division’s past and present commanding generals, Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis and Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, respectively.

    ”Some may call a basketball player a hero for scoring the winning goal or a celebrity for donating a small portion of their earnings to a good cause, but Kasal is a true American hero.”

    When then-1st Sgt. Kasal assisted one of his platoons with an over watch inside Fallujah that day, intense gunfire broke out in an Iraqi home to his immediate front.

    Seconds later, Marines were rapidly exiting the building, known as the “House of Hell.” “That house was a death trap,” said Maj. Gen. Lehnert.

    “It was set up for one purpose: to kill United States Marines.” Kasal could have easily stayed out of the house.”

    When he found out that there were Marines still pinned down inside the infamous house, nothing the insurgents could put on the table would stop him from rescuing his Marines.

    “Going in for them was the right thing to do,” said Kasal, 39, who hails from Afton, Iowa. “They’re Marines, and I’m a Marine. We look out for each other.”

    Upon entry of the house, Kasal found himself face-to-face with an insurgent who he neutralized at extreme close range. Shortly afterwards, AK-47 gunfire was coming from all directions, and Kasal was hit from behind.

    “While I was in that house, I made three life or death decisions,” Kasal said. “I never thought I would live through any of them, but I did what I did to help the other Marines.”

    The first decision Kasal made was to expose himself to enemy fire in order to pull another wounded Marine out of the line of fire. Kasal took more enemy fire doing this.

    While both Marines were under cover, they assessed their wounds. Both had multiple injuries, but there were only enough bandages for one of them to live.

    Kasal made his second decision to forfeit his medical supplies to the other Marine.

    “It made more sense to use all of the bandages on one of us then to split the supplies and have us both bleed to death,” Kasal said.

    The insurgents deployed a hand grenade to get the Marines out of cover, and it landed within a few feet of the two bleeding Marines.

    Kasal then decided to use his own severely wounded body to protect the Marine from shrapnel.

    By the time he was carried out of the house by Lance Cpl. Chris Marquez and Lance Cpl. Dan Shaffer as Lucian M. Reed, an Associated Press photographer snapped the iconic photo displayed at Marine Corps installations all over the globe, Kasal had lost approximately 60 percent of his blood from more than 40 shrapnel wounds and seven 7.62 mm AK-47 gunshots.

    One day prior to being awarded the Navy Cross Kasal’s father passed away.

    However, a live video teleconference feed to Kasal’s hometown provided his mother, family members and friends an opportunity to watch him receive the Navy Cross, be promoted to the rank of sergeant major and reenlist for three years.

    “It’s been a very emotional week,” Kasal said. “I am blessed to recover from my injuries, which the doctors thought would never happen, and regain my place in the Marine Corps. I would take the pain of surgeries any day over the pain of being away from my Marines.”

    http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/main5/9F8D86E63B0528DA85257163007F862D?opendocument
     
  8. dura

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    aside from KIA, there's nothing else that would have been more selfless
     
  9. Gaunt

    Gaunt blood for the blood god OT Supporter

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    are the medals being award more in line with WW2? maybe the DOD wants to restore the prestige of actually getting a medal?
     
  10. Insdav3

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    there are a lot of untold stories and experiences that unfortunately do not get recognized.
     
  11. thekinggovernor

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    I fucking hate how NAMs are given for 99.9% of combat actions. NAMs are given for such bullshit reasons stateside, there should a seperate medal for combat action awards
     
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    we had a guy get a nam for making an intranet site for the ship, they are admin awards, should definatly either be a different "nam" level combat ribbon or a ribbon device that shows you got it for not being a homo
     
  13. NPH

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    they gave NAMs away for sucking mad cock where I used to work.. that award is worthless from my perspective.
     
  14. Insdav3

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    :werd: I've done more work than anyone who has received a nam for "work type given nams"

    It's all about whos dick you suck
     
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    NAMs are bs medals. I never was impressed with them after I started seeing plane captains getting them for having the cleanest jet :rofl:
     
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    thekinggovernor OT Supporter

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    but then they give NAMs for actions in combat, like saving a life or actions under fire. It's such bullshit.
     
  17. thesuperlurker

    thesuperlurker yes i know i have few posts... you arent the first

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    Isn't there a combat device for the NAM? I know I've seen something on it before, maybe it was a star or something for multiple times.
     
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    yes a combat 'V' and it is awarded for bronze and silver stars as well I believe. I just think there should be a different award for saving a fellow Marine's life in combat and doing a good job as platoon sgt in Lejune.
     
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    thesuperlurker yes i know i have few posts... you arent the first

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    Definitely.
     
  20. widds2v

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    i dont agree with the "doing a good job as a platoon sgt".. then you're back into the gray area of getting rewarded for doing your job (but slightly above what the average is), and you're back into given that award for bullshit stuff.
     
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    It's even harder for an enlisted person to get the MOH. Don't know why.

    Damn near impossible without dying, and even then...
     
  22. shiba

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    isn't the majority of MOH recipients enlisted personnel?
     
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    a NAM is only something if it means something to you personally, i know i earned the dogshit out of mine...its pretty much the only ribbon id be proud to wear
     
  24. someonenew

    someonenew He's Dangerous

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    NAM's have always been a fucking joke.

    It's the commands way of saying "Thanks for doing what you were supposed to do"
     
  25. J1nGl37

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    I couldn't agree with you more. All i wanted since my first deployment was to get recognition for the hard werk that i do and what i have accomplished and it wasn't just a fuckin admin award either. Although i ended up getting a NAM as an E-2 for some fuckin gay ass reason i knew it was viewed at as a whole and it made me feel much better when i put it on.:bigthumb:
     

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