Verizon Filters all alt.* newsgroups

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  1. Peyomp

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    i'm surprised isps still offer news servers, at all.
     
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    filters it for users using service right for the ISP? what about verizon users using 3rd party service like giganews, etc?
     
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  5. Dnepr

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    Bullshit... we all know they dont give a shit about kids and are just doing this to get rid of binaries...


    Oh well, will probably have to get 3rd party service now.
     
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    probably, and I applaud them for that. Piracy is out of control. Piracy is the primary motivator why ISPs are testing bandwidth caps. Pirates hurt legit users.
     
  7. Dnepr

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    :hsugh: :rofl: :rofl: You're really out of touch with reality.
     
  8. Dnepr

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    Oh and Cable co's are doing it because they network is an old piece of shit and they cant be bothered to spend money to upgrade their infrastructure.

    Verizon doesn't need to do that, but still doing it because it saves money. Verizon also doesn't have any bandwidth issues at end nodes since all of them are not oversold and have dedicated fiber strands running.
     
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    ISPs are instituting monthly bandwidth caps because we told them we wanted net-neutrality.... And the pirates keep using insane amounts of bandwidth to steal shit.

    Those caps (designed to limit you pirates) in turn hurt people like me -- who are legit users, that do a lot of legit downloading, and streaming.
     
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    you really are ignorant. It doesn't matter Cable/DSL/Wireless/FTTP... It's all over-sold. Sure you may have a strand of fibre running to your home that CAN support even gigabit... But that doesn't mean that where all the fibre comes together at the wirecenter that they haven't oversold the shit out of their pipe.

    Okay well lets assume a SMALL wirecenter that only serves 5000 users. Lets say half of those users have internet. Now that wirecenter may have a 10gbps backbone. That sounds like a lot of bandwidth, right? What does verizon do for fttp? 15Mbps? I know you can get more, but let's say 15Mbps for sake of argument. So half of 5000 means 2500 users with fttp, each getting 15mbps. That would be 36.6GBit/sec needed to support all the users. So that wirecenter is oversold by 366% Yet in reality, performance is pretty darn good because not everyone is hammering it all at once.
     
  11. Dnepr

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    :ugh: Verizon does NOT oversell FIOS... go check your facts. there are 32 users per 1 BPON (GPON some placeS) node

    Anyways, I think you're talking about different kind of overselling. I was talking about cable co's putting 300% users on single end node.
     
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    Wirelessly posted via wap.offtopic.com (Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320) BlackBerry8703e/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)

    I don't know where I stand. On one hand, I'm against censorship. On the other, I believe that verizon has the right to not host if it foesn't want to and pissed off customers have the right to leave verizon for another host. That is one of the best parts of capitalism that too few people ignore. If enough customers care and do something about it, verizon would be forced to undo the change to stop losing money. No company owes you any service unless you are locked into a contract with them.
     
  13. deusexaethera

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    Who the fuck still uses Usenet?

    Actually, who the fuck ever used Usenet?
     
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    As utilities, we expect them to re-invest in their network every decade or so. Most of them haven't done so. Their fault, not ours. The existing network is MORE than paid for.

    Ironically... Verizon is the one exception to this. They HAVE invested in their network in lots of the country.
     
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    You're too young to have used it, but lots of people did. Lots of people still do, actually. If you're not MS oriented - its a great way to keep up on specific tech topics. I have friends that read it a lot.
     
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    The point is, those of us who were saying filtering would be MUCH broader than just the kid porn were right. And it only took a couple days for us to be proven right.
     
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    Oh. I just use Slashdot or Engadget or IEEE Spectrum for that.
     
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    They're not filtering. They shut down their entire Usenet site. There's a difference. With the site shut down, you know your info isn't going to get out to anyone, whereas with filtering, you could post it and never know that nobody but you can see it.
     
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    Except for news, if your news providers stops hosting 100K newsgroups, now you can't see them anymore. Yes there are ways around this - there are for all filtering.
     
  20. deusexaethera

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    It's not filtering! They're not blocking anything, they've discontinued the service. You want the service, find someone else who offers it.

    By your logic, a business owner who closes their business is discriminating against everybody, not just closing up shop.
     
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    Actually, no. Its not my logic. Its the logic of the service. With HTTP you grab things directly. With news, you grab things from your ISP. Thats just how it works.
     
  22. deusexaethera

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    So you're telling me if you subscribe to Verizon, you can't access any other Usenet sites besides the one Verizon has?
     
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    I'm saying that news is hosted by your ISP, whereas web pages are not, so them dropping those groups is equivalent to filtering urls. Although there are ways around both. Its possible to use another provider, as there are free ones out there. But I don't think they host the binary newsgroups. Its also possible to get your web pages through a proxy, and avoid filters.
     
  24. Dnepr

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    Nope, I pay 60$ per month for their fiber line, and use usenet daily.

    After 24th of June that part of my service is gooooone. Will they refund me 20$ per month? (Cost of similar level news service) Doubtful.


    I'll probably cancel their service and get some cheap service.
     
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    Thats the fuck of it - their fiber is so much better than anything else - how can you? I don't read news, but... if I were an avid alt.fuck.the.skull.of.jesus reader I would be annoyed.
     

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