MIL USA Vs The rest of the world

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  1. Simon1987

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    If a war was to break out between USA and every country in the world (IE America vs Everyone else). Who do you think would win? And please give a reason to your answer.
     
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    sheer numbers would overwhelm the US
     
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    Our shining becon of freedom would burn their communist eyes out.
     
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    Seriously, what is this "war" over? Removing US presence from foriegn lands, or invading our soil? Is their goal governmental domination or irradication? The big cities would fall quickly, but the invaders would have a much harder time weeding out the populace from the rural areas.
     
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    US 300million. World 6.5 billion. That's over 20 people per American and the war would be taking place over our soil meaning we would be getting the brunt of the bombs.
     
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    If there had to be a "winner", it would probably be the rest of the world because of sheer numbers. But really, the entire world would probably just end up scorched and in a nuclear winter, cause SOMEBODY would pull the nukes out.
     
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    winners = the dead
    reason = nuclear winter, dystopian 'mad max but worse' rad-hell future
     
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    Only way we could win is if we went nuclear...otherwise we'd lose
     
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    no other countries have blue-water navies that could transport and land enough troops and equipment to stage an invasion.

    england, france, russia, and to a much smaller extent, india, have some basic blue-water capability, but nothing that would threaten the continental US
     
  10. Intuit

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    They haven't developed this capability only because they haven't had to. None of their wars have required that they travel large distances over water. Japan is just an island. Russia largely is a barren wasteland. China just hasn't shown the kind of aggression that we regularly show.

    Unlike the US, other countries have other priorities & limited resources. (due to the fact that their land has been enhabited basically for as long as written record can go back or that their land isn't as hospitable & rich) Our land is "newly" inhabited, very hospitable, vast and we have a wide variety of resources, many of which remain untapped... resources out the wazzoo. (the only exception being dirt-cheap labor -- which, sad to say, is why we have programs allowing Mexicans work-VISAs to enter the US temporarily)

    One thing we quickly forget about (because we know the US is the center of the universe) is the fact that our economy is interdependant upon other economies and vice-versa. It would be extremely difficult to acquire overnight, the capacity to engineer and produce the vast quantities of electronic hardware that we consume. This is just one example. Much of our military prowess, relies upon these technologies... and they all run off of chips from Japan, Taiwan, China, etcetera... Many of you will not remember when we had that big electronic parts shortage back in (I think) 2002. Not even a company as large and reputable as Sony could procure enough parts to manufacturer their PlayStation in sufficient quantities. The "little guy" just had to sit on their thumbs while the larger orders got priority on stock.

    If I had to guess... it would be over resources. A few of the many past examples... Hawaii, Panama, Cuba/Dominican Republic, Afghanistan, Iraq and soon to be Iran, Syria and later... Venezuela. (Korea fell off the map the minute they declared nuclear capability... if the others have wise leadership, they are doing the same... Junior has single-handedly destroyed any and all anti-nuclear proliferations goals... should've let the diplomats continue to do their job...)
     
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    If the US was destroyed, the world would colapse.
     
  12. Joe_Cool

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    Depends. Who is trying to invade who? If the US tried to conquer the rest of the world, we couldn't do it. We have the military power to lay waste to most of the world and wreck everything to the point that everybody else's victory felt like losing, but we don't have enough hardware or manpower to actually conquer everybody.

    On the other hand, if the rest of the world combined tried to invade the US, they wouldn't stand a chance. Canada & Mexico aren't any real threat to us, even if they tried to be. The Army could handle them without any problem, to say nothing of 100 million armed citizens.

    And everybody else would have to cross an ocean to get here. And to cross the ocean, you have to get past the most powerful Navy that has ever existed. We have as many warships as the rest of the world combined, and on average, ours are better. Nobody is getting across the water if our Navy doesn't allow it, which leaves the Air Force and Army free to guard the borders.

    The invading force will lose, whether it's the US or the rest of the world invading.
     
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    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    Somebody has to get the bombs over here. Therein lies the problem. ;)



    Of course, this is all assuming a conventional war. If nuclear arsenals are opened up, everybody loses. The US and Russia each has enough warheads to destroy pretty much everybody.
     
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    Junior apparently disagrees. ;)
     
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    I could see the US losing a defensive war on the mainland. Alaska would be the first to fall and China, Russia, etc.. would have an invasion force mobilized to go through Canada and charge through the largely defenseless north western US border.

    The moment any massive Chinese force entered the US, we would probably nuke everybody and hope the missile shield thwarts the majority of the incoming nukes. :hs: There would be survivors but the world would be in the Dark Ages v2.0 and it'd take many generations to develop another super power strong and wealthy enough to further civilization.
     
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    Realistically, if such a war was to happen, the USA plan would probably be to occupy mexico and canada to prevent any large army to land on the north american continent. Altho, a single massive attack from the rest of the world against the north-american soil would NOT lead to a victory because the americans have a very vast/well equiped army. Altho, over time, america would most likely loose, a defeat caused by a shortage of natural ressources.
     
  17. Fearan

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    If that ever happens, the next war WILL be fought with sticks and rocks.
     
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    No the US wouldnt win because the rest of the world also has the capacity to destroy the world multiple times over so basicly it will be two losers :o
     
  19. Intuit

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    I think the first thing the rest of the world would do is to see to it that many of our troops don't return home. (in one piece) I don't know in what concentrations our troops are deployed internationally versus locally, but I suspect we're spread pretty thin. However, we'd have to be pretty blind to the building threat in order not to realize that we should be shutting down those embassies and bringing our troops (many have started families abroad) "home".

    As Vietnam has proven and the Iraqi post-war resistance is proving... the absolute worse thing one can do is to underestimate one's opponent(s).

    As far as the Canadian border, our news agencies have done many a report that detail the many parts of the absolutely HUGE Canadian border that lack fencing... let alone any sort of competent patrol capable of stopping illegal immigrants, terrorists or other.
     
  20. Joe_Cool

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    Like I already said, China and Russia don't have the boats to move an invasion force big enough to pose a threat. Even just between Siberia and Alaska, there's a whole lot of water. The Air Force or the Navy could manage guarding that with minimal resources. We have more submarines in drydock for refits than China and Russia have altogether.
     
  21. Joe_Cool

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    Rest of the world nothing. When you want to talk about nuclear arsenals, all you need to mention are the US and Russia. Well, maybe the Ukraine. Nobody else has enough warheads to cause more than a nuisance, for either power.
     
  22. Joe_Cool

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    That would be an absolute necessity. But for that to happen, there would have to be massive coordinated surprise attacks against all our bases, and we'd have to not see it coming. Even if we lost all of our our foreign-based personnel and equipment, I guarantee the opposition would know they had been in a fight. Our bases in Europe and the Middle East aren't full of boy scouts. They are front-line soldiers ready for combat. I'm sure they'd do their share of damage.

    There isn't now. If we saw a war coming (we'd definitely see it), likely one of the very first things to happen is that Canada's armed forces would be smashed. And it wouldn't be any little tip-tap war like Iraq, worrying about casualties. After a few days, Canada and Mexico wouldn't be able to fight off an unruly mob, let alone pose a threat to the US. No offense to any Canadian OTers, but let's be honest. Their military would have as much chance against the US as a fly has against my windshield on the freeway.

    We're talking about a war of survival here, not a fight over politics. The rules are all different.
     
  23. Joe_Cool

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    Who's junior?
     
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    The world didn't collapse when Rome fell. It adapted. The same would happen in this case.
     
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    if this is just about destroying other countries in a nuclear war even russia would be enough to destroy the US - no need for the whole world.

    wtf question?! how could the US WIN against the rest of the world?
     
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