GUN UN: Tasers are torture devices

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/25/national/main3537803.shtml

    U.N.: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture
    "Stun Guns" Are Under Fire After Six Deaths This Week; Rallies Held Demanding They Be Banned
    (CBS/AP) A United Nations committee said Friday that use of Taser weapons can be a form of torture, in violation of the U.N. Convention Against Torture.

    Use of the electronic stun devices by police has been marked with a sudden rise in deaths - including four men in the United States and two in Canada within the last week.

    Canadian authorities are taking a second look at them, and in the United States, there is a wave of demands to BAN them.

    The U.N. Committee Against Torture referred Friday to the use of TaserX26 weapons which Portuguese police has acquired. An expert had testified to the committee that use of the weapons had "proven risks of harm or death."

    "The use of TaserX26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and that in certain cases it could also cause death, as shown by several reliable studies and by certain cases that had happened after practical use," the committee said in a statement.

    Tasers have become increasingly controversial in the United States, particularly after several notorious cases where their use by police to disable suspects was questioned as being excessive. Especially disturbing is the fact that six adults died after being tased by police in the span of a week.

    Last Sunday, in Frederick, Md., a sheriff's deputy trying to break up a late-night brawl tased 20-year-old Jarrel Grey. He died on the spot.

    "I want to know what he did that was so bad," the victim's mother, Tanya James, said. "Did the deputy think that their life was in danger? Did he have a weapon?"

    The death came just weeks after Frederick police used a Taser to subdue a high school student.

    Black leaders held a rally Tuesday calling for the department to ban Tasers, at least until there is a clear policy on how they are used. The NAACP says it appears the sheriff's office is using Tasers routinely, rather than as a weapon of last resort.

    Also this week, in Jacksonville, Fla., in two separate cases two men died after being stunned.

    One suspect, who fled a car crash and tried to break into a nearby home, struggled with a policeman, prompting the officer to tase him three times. The man continued to fight, and tried to bite the officer, while he was being tased. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital.

    Another man died Tuesday after a Jacksonville officer pulled over his car. When the officer approached it, the man took off running. When the officer caught up with him, during a struggle, authorities say the officer used his Taser to subdue the suspect.

    After being placed in the back of the police car the suspect became unresponsive. He was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.

    Last Sunday, in New Mexico, 20-year-old Jesse Saenz died after Raton police used a Taser to subdue him. Police say Saenz was struggling and fighting with them as they attempted to take him into custody.

    Saenz died after being transported to a county jail.

    In Nova Scotia, a 45-year-old man who was jailed on assault charges jumped a counter and ran for the door as he was being booked. He died yesterday, about 30 hours after being shocked.

    The danger of Tasers is that they seem safe, they seem easy and therefore I think it's natural that police will be inclined to use them much more quickly than they would ever use a gun.

    Larry Cox, Executive Director,
    Amnesty International USAAnd in Vancouver, where Royal Candian Mounted Police have been criticized for their use of a Taser against an irate airline passenger at Vancouver Airport last month, 36-year-old Robert Knipstrom died in a hospital four days after police used a Taser, pepper spray and batons to subdue him.

    Police earlier said Knipstrom was agitated, aggressive and combative with officers. The cause of death has yet to be determined.

    More than a dozen people have died in Canada after being hit by Tasers in the last four years.

    The reported incidents this week did not have cameras documenting the use of the Tasers, but in British Columbia, a tourist's video camera recorded the death of a man tased twice while in custody at the Vancouver Airport last month.

    That horrifying video shows Robert Dziekanski, a Polish man who spoke no English, become increasingly agitated. He was shocked twice, and then died.

    The stun guns were denounced at memorial rallies in Vancouver and Toronto for Dziekanski.

    Among the 1,000 people at the Vancouver rally was Paul Pritchard, who shot the video of the confrontation at the city airport.

    The crowd gave a hero's welcome to Pritchard, who said he "saw the life drain out of a man's face" and heard "blood-curdling screams."

    A rally in front of the Ontario legislature in Toronto drew several hundred people, including Bob Rae, a Liberal candidate in the next federal election.

    Rae said the events leading up to Dziekanski's death must "never, ever be allowed to happen again."

    The prominent - and sensational - reports of deaths following the use of Tasers has increased attention to their legitimacy, and prompted a bold defense by their manufacturer.

    Taser International, based in Scottsdale, Az., released a statement following the Vancouver Airport incident saying no deaths have ever been definitively connected to what the company describes as: "the low-energy electrical discharge of the Taser."

    That's 50,000 volts.

    "The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application," Taser International said. "This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the Taser device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. [Dziekanski's] continuing struggle is proof that the Taser device was not the cause of his death.

    "Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents were widely reported in the media as 'Taser deaths,' the role of the Taser device has been cleared in every case to date," Taser said.

    The devices are used by about 12,000 police departments, often in chaotic situations.

    Retired police officer Paul Mazzei told CBS News correspondent Joie Chen, "Minus the Taser, they would have to use an impact weapon like a baton, possibly pepper spray or in some extreme cases of violent behavior they might even have to use deadly force to control that individual."

    In fact, in New Mexico earlier this month, the parents of a suicidal woman who was shot to death by Bernalillo County deputies two years ago are suing, contending that the police should have used Tasers instead of firearms.

    Brittany Wayne was killed in her bedroom 23 seconds after police arrived.

    And in Utah, a patrol car's dashboard camera caught an officer tasing a driver who refused to sign a speeding ticket. The officer is now under investigation, accused of being too quick on the draw.

    Amid a growing outcry, civil rights groups are urging police to put down their Tasers until more research is done.

    "The danger of Tasers is that they seem safe, they seem easy and therefore I think it's natural that police will be inclined to use them much more quickly than they would ever use a gun," Amnesty International USA Executive Director Larry Cox told Chen.
     
  2. Gimik

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    they would rather LEO used guns? :confused:
     
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    Seems like it, if you take the taser option away from officers seems like there would be alot more shootings.

    If you dont want to be tased and die then dont resist if you have heart problems or just snorted an 8ball :dunno:
     
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    LEO's need training. They escalate the use of force and jump right to tasers.

    Batons were incorrectly used when they were introduced, after training they because effective tools.
     
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    Because they're newer, sure. Batons are still incorrectly used occasionally, so are choke holds. I'm not LEO, so I can't say for sure, but I'd say in most cases, a taser is a good tool to use after verbal warnings. It's not at all safe for an LEO to grapple with someone who could have a blade or a weapon or diseases for all they know - and they will almost always be able to bite.

    While I agree they are abused occasionally, I don't see anything that could be used as a replacement except for OC spray, and I'd rather get tasered than sprayed, personally.

    Just my .02.
     
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    I've been tased, sprayed, and hit with a baton.
    Tasing and OC were in training, and the baton strike was accidental during a furball.
    None were pleasant, but the baton strike left the longest lasting injury.

    Also, fuck the U.N.
     
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    I'd rather be sprayed, tasers can royally fuckup your nervous system.

    I really forsee tasers being banned in police stations in a few years if they don't work out these issues. They are good in certain situations, but they have been obviously abused.
     
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    they're going after tasers, since a taser isn't meant to kill somebody. if it works they'll go after guns. I'd put money on it.
     
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    As opposed to the extremely painless being beaten with a baton option. I feel for the police, they can't win either way. If they use a baton the person gets injured and its excessive force. If they try to avoid the baton and just go for the short lasting taser pain, its excessive force. It seems as though society is going to have to soon choose one or the other and just live with it.
     
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    Or cops could just get better training. They are just middle school bullies who now get paid to do it.
     
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    Better training is only worth so much. Eventually you'll have guys who are going to need force used against them. Do you want that to be a punch? Do you want that to be a taser? Do you want it to be a thump from a baton?
     
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    Solid reasoning right there :rolleyes:
     
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    :rofl:


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    I got my ass kicked all the time in middle school because I was a funny fuck who was small for his age.
    So your hypothesis is boolsheet.:p
     
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    Thank you for your insightful and well-rounded opinion on the matter.
     
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    The UN is a goddam torture device. Every time I read one of their fucking retarded publications, I get a migraine.
     
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