Too many of you n00bs or lurkers put too much faith in weight loss drugs

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  1. ACURA TL-S

    ACURA TL-S OT Supporter

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    At best, short of taking something like DNP, you are going to raise your metabolic rate by 10% or so. Why does everyone jump straight into taking drugs for weight loss? A good diet and actually lifting instead of sitting on your ass will have so much more of an effect. Pur was right and I didn't realize it until after the fact, but the risks of some of the shit you are putting in your body are not worth the effects. It isn't cool when you are sitting in lab and you have a heart palpation. It really makes you realize that maybe if you just work a little harder you could save the money you would spend on the ECY or other shit and at the same time help your body by not risking the possible heart damage that could come from some of these drugs. Maybe it is just me, but I don't like seeing all these people that look like they have never worked out going straight to drugs. By bettering my diet and doing 30 minutes of cardio a day I have lost 17 lbs in the last two months, which is a hell of alot more than I lost on ECY. This is because I was much more aware of my diet than I was when I was taking ECY. Willpower is much more potent than any weightloss drug when it comes to shedding lbs. /rant
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    Pergolide baby!
     
  3. PurEvl

    PurEvl going out gassed and not half assed...

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    well im glad one person had listenend to me, good for you acura
     
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    ChosenGSR Mama always said you'd be the chosen one

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    I'm not looking to lose weight with CY, just looking for it to help me tone up my abs :dunno: I am eating cleaner and my abs are starting to show much better as is, but I figured a little CY was going to help me... bad idea?
     
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    true stuff, but I cant live without my alcar and GTE dammit!
     
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    ACURA TL-S OT Supporter

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    First off, there is no spot fat loss, you will lose it on your abs as well as everywhere else. I just feel that the risks outweigh the rewards of ECY. If you think about a 10% increase in metabolism, that means you are burning maybe 250 more calories a day than usual. Now is the risk of heart palpations really worth the extra 250 calories that could just be avoided by not that cup of juice with breakfast or burned off by doing the elliptical for 30 minutes (not too mention the EPOC from the extra cardio).
     
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    infinite loop Statistically speaking, the Yankees do indeed suck

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    ecy + diet + cardio > diet + cardio
     
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    not everybody who does the stack have proper diet & training..the mentality here is more like ecy> diet + cardio.
     
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    raising metabolism isn't the only benefit of EC

    but I agree, people with little/no experience shouldn't use them, nor should anyone look to them as a magic cure
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    just because you get palpitations, doesn't mean everyone else does
     
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    shastaisforwinners OT Supporter

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    the man makes a good point
     
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    JuggetEQ New Member

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    Just eat fruits, veggies, fish, chicken, and salad.

    For faster results run a mile or 2 a day.
     
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    please don't offer any more advice. Ever.
     
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    True, the appetite suppression of the E is what I think most of the people lose the weight with. I also didn't think that ECY raised metabolism even 10%, I thought it was more like 5% and clen raises it 10%. Might be wrong about that though.
     
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    appetite suppression
    nutrient partitioning
    slowing metabolic suppression while in a deficit
    etc
     
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    ACURA TL-S OT Supporter

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    I ahve read anywhere between the two.
     
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    Paintballny New Member

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    So whats the concensus on Alcar/GTE? I take a pill of each with my main meals (3 times a day.. or just 2 if I miss breakfast). Ofcourse its combined with cardio/weight training/proper diet.
     
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    This is true, in fact if I cut out the Y, I could probably take it with no problems. My point is more that people here think it is magic. Like preemo said, people tend to think that ECY>proper diet. I have noticed that the people that have a good diet and are motivated to lift and do cardio every day seem to lose fat faster than those that take ECY. I am not saying that taking ECY is going to kill you or have any adverse effects whatsoever, I had taken it in the past with no problem, I am saying that once I realized that it was my diet that was holding me back and I spent less time focusing on what supplement would help me lose the weight and more on what diet would help me lose the weight, I saw much more significant results.
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    they're great supplements for overall health
     
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    Paintballny New Member

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    Thats what I figured.. thanks!
     
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    NoXeN You can find me up on one

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    weight loss?

    is that spanish? :fawk:
     
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    hip hippo Eric Berry, son.

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    No comprende. :mamoru:
     
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    ChosenGSR Mama always said you'd be the chosen one

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    What about CY, without the E I thought that was a pretty safe combo :dunno:
     
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    Y had much more of an effect than E, but also caused me to be nauseated the whole time.
     
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    Ive never tried to lose weight with out both drugs and the diet in conjunction so I cant comment on whether I could do it without one component... but If I hardly notice the side effects of the ECY stack much less have heart palpatations as a result, why not use every advantage I can?
     
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