I got the winchester for $50 I helped out a friend who gave me the choice of a number of guns from an estate for that price. It is a pre 64 in immaculate condition. I also purchased the 144 for 200 from the lot because it was too good to let go. It has one small flaw in the bluing otherwise the gun is perfect. The barrel is 15/16 of an inch in diameter they are supposed to be real tack drivers. Overall I would say I did pretty well. Yes I know the winchester needs the firing pin recall done i called them already. Winchester: Mossberg: These I will probbably never sell they came from an estate of someone who really loved their guns I would feel bad parting with them as the whole estate was almost destroyed before my friend stepped in.