GUN Tiahrt Co-sponsors 2nd Amendment Self Defense Bill

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  1. twistid

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    Tiahrt Co-sponsors 2nd Amendment Self Defense Bill

    WASHINGTON—U.S. Congressman Todd Tiahrt (R-Goddard) today co-sponsored the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill (H.R. 197). This legislation would protect the rights of licensed firearm permit holders by allowing them to carry firearms across the country without a confusing patchwork system.

    "The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill recognizes that those who have a valid state-issued concealed firearms permit should not have to forfeit their safety when traveling," said Tiahrt. "Not only does this bill protect the rights of concealed firearm permit holders, it also maintains the right of states to issue concealed weapons permits as they desire. As a mobile society, legal firearm permit carriers should be able to travel from state to state and exercise their fundamental right to self defense—this legislation ensures that."

    Specifically, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows:

    *In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders.
    *In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations.
    *The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories.
    *It would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.

    http://www.tiahrt.house.gov/?sectionid=114&sectiontree=5,22,114&itemid=1094

    i'm giving this it's own thread.
     
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    Not gonna pass.
     
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    i wish more people would see this, and contact their reps.
     
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    i like it
    now if only we could get some momentum behind a national open carry law...
     
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    I don't like it, state's rights ftw.
     
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    says the guy from illinois.

    fact of the matter is, the constitution trumps everything. which was intended for every person in the whole of the union.
     
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    Yes, its hard to say states rights knowing how much it would benefit me but much like forcing guns on privately owned property, getting my way isn't doing the right thing.

    Fact of the matter is, the constitution isn't relevant at this time with regard to states and the 2nd or the 2nd and carry. If that changes, and I hope it does, I'll change my tune.
     
  10. LancerV

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    Right of the people to keep and bear arms*











    *unloaded, registered, only 10rd magazines, no hollow points, and no magazine loaded
     
  11. Soybomb

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    Incorporation, do you have it?

    What we think the 2nd is and should do isn't the way it works right now. Lets fix that rather than try to pass another new law. The 2nd should be all the law we need, lets get the case law to back it up now building off heller.
     
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    it's funny how people complain about how law enforcement officers have the right to carry nationwide as a violation of the 14th amendment. they mean to make it so NO ONE can have national carry, but why not give it to everyone?

    equal protection :h5:
     
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    it would be nice if we lived in a world, where everyone could live by a few simple rules.
     
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    not gonna pass congress, and if by some miracle it did, obama wouldn't sign it into law, and definitely not enough votes to over ride a veto
     
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    sweet science I would ejaculate all over myself if this was passed
     
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    The Constitution gives this right to all Americans, so it should be as such.
    There should be no borders for personal protection. If you can get a carry permit, you should be able to carry it wherever.
     
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    shouldn't even need a permit
     
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    Yeah I agree with that.
     
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    Yes, it does have it.

    DoC V. Heller

    Once the high court starts overturning local laws based on unconstitutionally clauses, you have some level of incorporation.

    Obviously it is still not as "strong" as the first's incorporation but there is now a precedence set.

    I hope this passes but I doubt it. :hsd:
     
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    Nope, no chance.
     
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    Heller is not incorporation and in fact explicitly avoids the incorporation question, see page 48 note 23. Heller's decision may well lead to incorporation by solidifying the 2nd amendment as an individual right, but it is a prohibition on federal government, and in no way impacts state governments on its own. It is not incorporation (a very well defined thing might I add). I'd also note that heller has some language in it that might well let carry bans pass as constitutional so be cautious with trumpting it as the cure to everything that ails our cause.
     
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    From my understanding of the note, it talks about allowing states to ban private militias more so then gun control laws for individuals, you are talking about this right?

    "Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 (1886), held that the
    right to keep and bear arms was not violated by a law that
    forbade “bodies of men to associate together as military
    organizations, or to drill or parade with arms in cities and
    towns unless authorized by law.” Id., at 264–265. This
    does not refute the individual-rights interpretation of the
    Amendment; no one supporting that interpretation has
    contended that States may not ban such groups."

    My point was not so much them saying "the 2nd amendment is incorporated" like they did with the first and other amendments, my point was signs of incorporation are starting to be shown and hopefully will continue.
     
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    No, I am talking about footnote 23 on that page, you've cited the paragraph that follows the paragraph that cited the footnote...
     
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    Post what you are talking about then, The document I am looking at might have cut it off. :dunno:
     
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    With respect to Cruikshank's continuing validity on incorporation, a question not presented by this case, we note that Cruikshank also said that the First Amendment did not apply against the States and did not engage in the sort of Fourteenth Amendment inquiry required by our later cases. Our later decisions in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 265 (1886) and Miller v. Texas, 153 U. S. 535, 538 (1894), reaffirmed that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government.

    More good discussion is here http://volokh.com/posts/1214582490.shtml but the fact remains, heller isn't incorporation in any form even if it lays the groundwork for us to eventually get there on several levels.
     

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