This is why Ford's v8 = fail

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  1. Mitchj

    Mitchj OT Supporter

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    Neither of those times are particularly fast, so it must be down to the conditions... but, it somehow managed to peak slightly higher power than the LS3, and is close to a second slower on the quarter mile :ugh2:

    Those BOSS v8 engines have just never being able to perform properly.
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    could be suspension or drivetrain.
     
  3. Mitchj

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    the turbo models use the same suspension and drivetrain and are much faster
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    so you say keeping all other factors the same and adding a turbo will make your car faster? unpossible!
     
  5. Mitchj

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    ok let me rephrase

    the inline 6 cylinder turbo models consistently put down low 13 second passes. While the v8's, with supposedly 40 horsepower more, somehow manage to run consistently 1 second slower on the quarter mile

    They both use the same suspension and drivetrain. The Ford V8 is also consistently slower than the LS2/LS3 in the HSV's, despite quoting similar, often higher power figures.
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    peak power does not tell you the full story. the LS2/LS3 are fucking spectacular motors and put out great power across their revs.

    what are the trap times/speeds and exit-speeds for the straight six vs the v8? it's possible the turbo is helping out in the top end. Weight can come as a factor. Perhaps the v8 is too much torque and the suspension is doing a shitty job getting it to the ground so the wheels just spin.

    lots of factors why they could have diff times.
     
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    the turbo 6's have shit load more torque than the v8's. The v8's just never live up to their power figures, and won't move until 4000rpm

    Here is for the base falcons, the fpv's arnt much different

    0-400m 13.6 14.7
    Speed (km/h) 172.2 159.1

    XR6 Turbo / XR8

    The turbo is supposedly 270kw, the XR8 is supposedly 290kw.
     
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    the ford v8 is just a piece of shit compared to the turbo 6.
     
  10. Mitchj

    Mitchj OT Supporter

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    or a Chevrolet v8 :naughty:
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    so stick with the general.
     
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    a better example of failed ford engineering would be the 3.4 V8 in the 96-99 SHO...
     
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    I'd still own the V8 over the turbo I6 though, the GT/P is a nicer car and the difference in performance isn't worth crying over its still a quick car.
     
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    Corz ha ha! snikt

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    wasnt that a yamaha setup anyway?
     
  15. Possum Stomper

    Possum Stomper The Great Bird of the Galaxy

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    those power curves are almost identical, the difference in performance is quite odd

    wheel and tire dimensions?
    transmissions?
    electronic nannies?
    DRIVER???

    it must be something other than "ford v8's suck", more details or scans from the article would be helpful
     
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    it's always been like that, the V8 just cannot move fast.

    The turbo 6 with similar power is always so much quicker
     
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    Maybe they have shitty gearing or something.
     
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    What the fuck is going on with those graphs? Power and torque lines, if graphed on the same Y-axis, should always cross at 5252rpm. Someone's doing something shady.
     
  19. Mitchj

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    yeah i recon the dyno results are doctored.
     
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    The motor was designed by Ford and they had Yamaha build it. Apparently a 1996 early production RHD model was originally owned by FOMOCO for testing before it was shipped to the UK to be sold and that vehicle had the cams welded when the second owner took possession of it at 6000km on the odo.
     
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    It looks like when two different scales are used but theres only power, and the torque is much lower. :ugh:

    Either way it illustrates power under the curve.
     
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    I do not agree with that.

    Most motors have their torque output exceed their hp output low in the revs.
     
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    HP = TQ x RPM/5252
    TQ = HP x 5252/RPM

    That is why HP and TQ numbers should cross at 5252rpm on a dyno sheet.
     
  24. matrix243

    matrix243 My body, is ready.

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    someone wants to keep the 6 in production.
     
  25. GammaRadiation

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    :rolleyes:

    We are talking Killowatts and Newton-Meters...not Horsepower and Lb-ft.
     

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