This doesn't make sense to me regarding bench press

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  1. disblohs

    disblohs I can't shake this little feeling I'll never get a

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    On a few other forums I frequent people are of the opinion that the bench press is the worst exercise anyone can do because of the likelihood of a muscle tear. However, they claim that incline bench and decline bench are much less likely to result in a muscle tear and should be used in place of flat bench. I've never seen a good explanation for the reason behind this and I can't think of one myself so I'm wondering what you guys think.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Phil NJ

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    I get a better workout declining rather than using a flat bench.
     
  3. disblohs

    disblohs I can't shake this little feeling I'll never get a

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    Positive. They mention muscle tears throughout the ridiculously long thread.
     
  4. disblohs

    disblohs I can't shake this little feeling I'll never get a

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    One of the people saying that is Doggcrapp who is 300 pounds.

    I just can't come up with an explanation for the chance of a tear being lower when doing incline bench compared to flat bench.
     
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    Doggcrapp is a part of one of the internets largest lifting cults.
     
  6. Mike McDermott

    Mike McDermott It's evolution, baby. OT Supporter

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    you'll be fine as long as you do appropriate back and shoulder work.
     
  7. Damnation

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    4) The bench press does not build big pecs!
    The bench press is the most overrated exercise of all time. In fact, if you perform the bench press in the manner that most people do, it's not even very good at stimulating the pecs.

    To make matters worse, other docs I've talked to concur with my observation that the flat barbell bench press is positively correlated with a number of shoulder injuries like AC joint problems, biciptal tendonitis, and torn pecs. (I'm referring to tendonitis of the long head of the biceps tendon where it slides through the biciptal groove on the head of the humerus — essentially a shoulder problem.)
    I'm not saying to never do the bench press; I'm just saying that I wouldn't do it any more than any other chest exercise. Actually, I'd probably do it less than most others.







    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1692967&cr=
     
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    So I'm assuming based on this post on T-Fag you no longer do flat bench press, yes?
     
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    i've been doing flat db bench for a while now..
     
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    I meant flat barbell bench press.

    I think it's hilarious how much overanalyzing happens to people who possess physiques that honestly do not look like they work out.

    Oh no! Flat bench press is not a good pec exercise according to T-Fag! Let's drop it man! Let's increase the tempo to 2-3-7 !!

    Show me a person who can bench 405x10 and in GENERAL they will be big, thick, bad looking people.
     
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    jesus, i never said that the bb bench was bad. the guy asked a question and i showed him a something out of a RECENT article from t-nation. i never told him that the benchpress was the devil and should be omitted from every routine.
     
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    You sound like a hippie.

    You didn't answer my question - do you do flat barbell bench press? And if not, for gods sake why?
     
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    i don't. i never got the form down and every time i try, something happens with my shoulder.

    but now that you're owning me so hard, i guess i'm gonna have to drop the db and just start bb benching because NUDES said so.
     
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    Well, judging by a picture you posted in the main forum, you are not in danger of looking like you lift weights, so don't worry. I know that is not a goal you wish to achieve.

    Do you squat? Do you deadlift? Do you overhead press heavy?

    If the answer to the above is no, you may need to rethink your routine. Serious suggestion.
     
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    honestly, i don't do any of that. i'm one of those guys that think that genetics will get me where i wanna be by just doing push ups and sit ups at home. i don't believe in going to the gym and tiring myself because research says that doesn't work. i come here to post about what i read and not what i do.
     
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    To the OP, you must understand you are on Dante's website I've gathered. As I said, DC is a huge cult. It has great principles.. the primary great principle of DC training is constantly adding weight to the bar. I know this sounds like a basic concept, but plenty of self proclaimed "bodybuilders" ignore adding weight to the bar and focus on "sculpting, shredding, and forming", and wonder why they are still the same size and look.

    But with that there is a HUGE cult following. If you dare do anything that DC himself didn't say was 100% ok, then everybody will hate you.

    Barbell flat bench is not going to increase potential of tear or injury more than any other bench press.

    If anything, rest-pausing will increase the chance of tear much moreso than straight sets, supersets, or dropsets.
     
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    Your sarcasm is noted, hippie.
     
  18. Damnation

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    i don't think i'll ever come back in F&N just because you came down on me so hard on me...

    see you guys later :sad2:
     
  19. disblohs

    disblohs I can't shake this little feeling I'll never get a

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    This is the kind of response I was looking. Thanks :cool:

    I wasn't trying to imply that the only place I was getting my information from was DC training. He was just used as an example because someone said it was probably only 150lb people that don't workout that said don't do flat bb bench. In fact, I had read the article that Damnation posted a couple weeks.
     
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    is it the new HIT :mamoru:
     
  21. Damnation

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    oh, is that why nudes decided to put a finger in my ass?
     
  22. NUDES

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    No. Some DC users are big as fuck. Look at Justin Harris. He uses DC and he's a beast.
     
  23. disblohs

    disblohs I can't shake this little feeling I'll never get a

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    Why'd you make an AE? I didn't think your original name was banned.
     
  24. Ceaze

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    it makes sense that you're less likely to tear a pec on an incline because there is less pec involved
     
  25. disblohs

    disblohs I can't shake this little feeling I'll never get a

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    I believe the discussion on intensemuscle also concerned shoulder problems as well.
     
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