MIL Thinking of enlisting v.9999999

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  1. thepornokid

    thepornokid New Member

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    I want the discipline the military has the ability to provide. I want to serve my country. And I want to be trained in the job area of my choosing (aviation or medicine, probably). I'm 20, have the ability to pass all the physical tests with ease, and scored a 90 on the mini-AFQT that they allow you to take at recruiter offices.

    I've met with a couple recruiters (navy, army, marines) and mulled over this decision for a few weeks very thoroughly, and touched on the idea for the past 3 or so years. My first choice was the easy force, but they won't accept me because of previous drug use :o, which is completely understandable. I used to want to join the Corps, and not to bash on them by any means, but realized I could probably use my noggin to a much greater extent in the Army or Navy. Even after a lot of research I am having a difficult time figuring out what interests me more, the Army or Navy.


    I figured I'd provide a little background, then ask my questions. :wiggle:


    I have a history of drug use, but I have been clean for a couple months now. My recruiter at the Navy told me to NOT SAY ANYTHING about this (because it's not in police records or anything), and that it probably wouldn't ever come up unless I brought it up. :ugh2: Isn't this heading straight into a good chance that I'd eventually get dishonorable discharge? I am after all providing misleading information or withholding information?

    I have two misdemeanors (shoplifting) that fall under the Class 2 non-traffic violations, and two is the magic number where you start to need a criminal history waiver. How hard are these to obtain? Needless to say, I really want to enlist.

    The only other disqualifier I have for enlisting besides my ex-drug use and my two misdemeanors is my terrible vision. I have to wear my contacts or glasses or I'm fucked. How significant of an impact is this on enlistment? I believe it's a much more serious impact on the aviation programs than just general enlistment.




    Most importantly, how difficult is it to get into an aviation program, or to become a pilot of some type? From what I've gathered, particularly in this forum, is that I shouldn't even try because it's so competitive, and thats for people with spotless backgrounds which I don't possess. I think I read through one of the job pages and saw that any drug use history completely excludes you from ever becoming a pilot. I guess I can't say I blame folks. What about in a medical field, like a nurse/doctor/medic?

    Sorry for the long post.
     
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    thepornokid New Member

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    My last question that I forgot to add was how long do you expect I'd be put into the DEP and wait to ship out to boot camp. I have my reasons, but I want to start the process as soon as possible, not 6-12 months from now.
     
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    god I love how everbody wants to be a pilot, weather they be college educated enginers or drug taking HS grads
     
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    aviation? With your background, i'd look at something else. Also with the exception of the Army WO program you need a 4 Year degree to comission and then go to pilot training.
     
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    I know it's highly sought after, that's why I kept other job possibilities. For the record, I have almost 3 years of college credits going for me.
     
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    -don't lie about your drug history
    -the waiver shouldn't be hard to do
    -wearing glasses isn't going to disqualify you

    you aren't going to be a pilot
     
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    #1: The answer is you will not be a pilot with your bad vision, regardless if you desire to drive a fixed wing or rotary flying machine. You could look into getting some PRK and praying for a 20/20 correction in both eyes - but I'm not even sure that would do it, and it ignores your other issues.

    #2: Your vision, assuming it can correct to meet minimum standards, should not prevent you from working in most support branches. It does prevent you from going 18x (without a serious waiver), but medical should be fine.

    #3: The impact of your previous drug and criminal history is very subjective depending on what MOS you choose, and what opportunities you try and take down the line. IE: If you're going to be a medic, this is really not that serious. If you're trying to go into an intel field and expect to participate in super secret stuff, it could be of some consequence, but aside from the strictest of programs, is still possible to mitigate with a long history of productive drug and criminal free behavior.

    Lastly, I would not suggest lying on your paperwork. This again, depends on what you are going to do. If you decide to be a full time truck driver, you might get away with it, but if you pick a 'cool' job you may end up in a position to lose your clearance, or pass on some great opportunities for fear of failing a poly / series of interviews.
     
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    it always cracks me up how these people with absolutely zero flight time all want to be pilots. (nothing personal to the TS)

    No 4+ year degree means absolutely no chance at even applying for a pilot slot in the Marines, AF, or Navy. Army you can fly as a WO.
     
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    I know that 60 college credits is sufficient to become an officer in the National Guard or Air Guard...have you considered that?

    Then your dreams of pilot might be more realistic.
     
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    I feel like I have seen this thread before...
     
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    Sorry for making such large posts. I still have two important questions I hope to get answered. :x: So if you read nothing else, please try and take a look at my first question, it's what I'm the most concerned about.


    Thank you to everyone that has posted and contributed, it has helped a lot in helping me make a few decisions. I don't know why it seems to offend so many when someone has a desire to learn how to fly and become a pilot, but I realized that my chances were very slim at best to do so. I did not expect to be able to become a pilot but that doesn't mean I can't ask about it. I am trying to then decide between some field of medicine.

    It was never my desire to lie or withhold information on my papers and I was pretty :ugh: when the Navy recruiter I talked to even suggested I do so. After researching what I've researched and listened to what you folks have to say and talking to a couple recruiters, I'm pretty confident I'd like to join the Army instead of the Navy. I'd be much happier joining as active duty than sitting in the reserves or guard.


    1) How long can I expect to wait from signing up and going to MEPS, to actually being sent to boot camp and job school thereafter? It's my understanding this varies a lot between your job desire and maybe a couple other things like where you live, but anyone with any information on the subject please feel free to post, I'd appreciate it a lot. This is my biggest question and concern right now.

    2) I'd also like to know if I can realistically expect to start as an E-3? I have approximately 80 college credits completed, which is the equivalent of about 15 credits (one quarter) away from my degree. From my researching, it's my understanding that I should start as an E-3 because of the amount of credit hours I have. Can anyone provide input on this? I'm sure my Army recruiter I'm seeing tomorrow will be able to provide additional input as well.


    Thanks again for everyones help. :bigthumb:
     
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    the only cool part about the army is the quick promotion potential. everything else about it generally blows. the navy has the same quick promotion opportunities, but i don't think that their e-4/5/6s have the ability to promote on a monthly basis like the army.
     
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    lie your ass off about your drug history, dont lie about any legal matters, but if they ask about usage, go with what my recruiter told me

    NO = New Opportunity
    YES = Your Enlistment Stops
     
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    you can still be a naval flight officer/aircrew and wear glasses. i'm not sure what the limitations on it are though.
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:What an analogy :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    why dont you just finish your degree
     
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    Go army. With your drug history the Navy will just make you an SK, which is LS now. Trust me I know.
     
  19. tan koi

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    oh yeah, the other perk to the army is that we take fucked up people.
     
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    for your drug use, it was a couple times during an experimental phase in your life. this way you are only half lying.
     
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    If u really want to fly, my best advice would b to join the army. I'm not sure of the army MOS, but look into helicopter crew chief. It's easier to get a flying WO slot if u actually have experience working on that airframe.
     
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    All branches take fucked up people. Army just takes more.
     
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    I talked to the Army recruiter in my area and he certainly brightened my day. I've been filling out paperwork all day. Basically what it has come down to is my legal matters. The two misdemeanors themselves aren't an issue, but because they are still pending, I can't enlist yet.

    I turned in my two citations that required a court appearance to get two arraignment dates scheduled a few weeks ago. I have yet to get anything in the mail back yet, so it's pending. :hsd:

    I also have a pending lawsuit of some type with Walmart. I was caught shoplifting there as well, but they didn't inform the police and so they are just going to try and sue me for $300-400.

    What my recruiter has suggested to me is to talk to the DA prosecutor and explain my situation, my desire to turn my life around, and a request to have the charges dropped or at least expedited so I may enlist sooner rather than later. He sounds confident in this idea but I'm highly skeptical.


    Eventually becoming a WO and retraining for something in the aviation field is not out of the question as far as I understand. For now though, I plan to do something in the medical/medicine field. The MOS that stands out the most to me right now is being a 68W Health Care Specialist (Combat Medic).
     
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    why are you such a dumbass trying to steal from Walmart...? You're going to be the fucker who steals TA-50 and hordes it and then gets caught. I can already tell you are a shitbag.
     
  25. oiler

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    what type of drug use are we talking about? Smoking pot a handful of times or dropping acid monthly?
     
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