There is no such thing as accidents…

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  1. Emanon

    Emanon Active Member

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    Saw this thread on a Harley forum I visit and thought it would be interesting to see the reaction here in OT.......


    "A comment that my MSF instructor said sparked some interesting conversation among some of my rider friends last night. When I took the MSF class in the springtime the instructor said “There is no such thing as motorcycle accidents, only motorcycle mistakes.” He then said that every motorcycle accident you hear about could have been avoided if the rider reacted differently.

    Do you agree that every motorcycle accident could be avoided if the rider reacted differently or do you believe that some accidents can’t be avoided?"
     
  2. Emanon

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    My opinion:

    I do think a majority of the time the motorcycle rider could have done something to avoid the accident and true accidents where it couldn't be avoided are very very rare.
     
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    Its true, but not in a way you may think of the bat.

    (Finish this later.)
     
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    Not ALL but a big majority of them could have been prevented.
     
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    Junkie re-tarded OT Supporter

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    There are a few things that you just can't avoid. I've seen a video of a guy riding along and a deer jumps out and hits him in the side... don't see how you could avoid that.

    But yes, a large majority could be avoided.
     
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    sounds like the instructor has been reading a bit too much freud :mamoru:


    why limit it to motorcycles? why not say every accident in life could have been avoided if only you had done something different?

    in other words I think the instructor is either idealistic, or a moran.
     
  8. GQ

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    what about the retard that turns in front of you or pulls out in front of you when you are following the speed limit correctly. people that run red lights....things like that.
     
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    easily avoided but it wouldnt be fun if you rode at 100% safety
     
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    all can be avoided, but then so can just about ANY accident
     
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    you are telling me....that if some drunken idiot runs a red light.....it can be EASILY avoided.......


    rrrrrrrrrrright.
     
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    there's a bad intersection 1 mile from my house. more than once my light has gone green and I waited......1.......2........then a car ran the light. Drunk, on the phone, just plain stupid....yes, most of them can be avoided.
     
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    +1

    for example, my friend was sitting at a light on his bike and got rear ended by a car.
     
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    I sit at a red light with my bike in gear and an eye on my mirror if i see a car coming up behind me to hot i will pull into my escape route that i leave while sitting at a red light for this very situation, this has saved me twice
     
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    If the other driver does something stupid very quickly, then there is no way for the rider to avoid the problem. You can make your chances better by leaving yourself escape routes, but there's no way you can entirely blame the motorcycle rider for not being careful enough.

    The basic idea that the instructor is trying to get across -- that you are ultimately responsible for your own safety and you can't just slack off like you can in a car -- is a very good point, though.
     
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    only the instructor said *every* accident. I think we're all a little more realistic by saying *most*. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention and driving safely.
     
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    They're called accidents for a reason. Shit happens. Maybe you could have done something differently, maybe not. If you're the most cautious driver in the world and you've never been in the accident, good for you. If we could predict how every situation was going to play out, of course every accident could be avoided. In the real world, who knows whats going to happen. People cross into oncoming lanes, pedestrians and animals run across streets. You can't always be prepared. Unimaginable shit is bound to happen, and it can hit anyone.

    For what it's worth, a friend of mine had a dad who was about as cautious as you could possibly be. He didn't ride, he drove a small truck. You'd always see him driving at or under the speed limit and braking a block away from stop signs. He was the slowest, safest driver I've ever met. When we were kids I couldn't stand to ride with him because of how long it would take. One day he was stopped a light, and an off duty police officer was flying down the highway. The officer became airborne coming off a bridge, and landed on top of my buddies dad (still stopped), killing him instantly. If you have any advice on how my buddies dad could have avoided that one, let me know.
     
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    :rolleyes: *MOST*
     
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    Always leave your bike in gear and watch as cars approach from the rear. :dunno:
     
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    Why limit it to motorcycles? He was teaching a MSF class.

    If you could have done something different then is it an accident?
     
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    Thread touched a nerve huh?
     
  22. Vermincelli

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    I should just copy and paste my usual post about motorcyclists ARE invisible and you need to ride that way with the expectation that EVERY driver cannot see you and every vehicle is going to cut in front of you or swerve into your lane yadda yadda yadda.
     
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    Funny this is going about the same way as it did on the Harley forum.

    About half saying yeah the rider can just about avoid any accident and the other half calling the instructor an idiot and that you can't control everything.
     
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    Vermincelli Banned

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    which is pretty much right. If you are mentally prepared and aware you can avoid the majority of accidents that happen to bikers.

    BUT...... you can't avoid them all because shit does happen sometimes and then it's just all about luck of the draw.
     
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    but his stance

    “There is no such thing as motorcycle accidents, only motorcycle mistakes.”
    could just easily be

    “There is no such thing as accidents, only mistakes.”


    and that's either a Freudian, philosophical, or just plain stupid thought.
     

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