GUN The truth behind WWB?

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  1. Admitted

    Admitted I shouldn't be on OT right now.

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    Local shop told me that WWB is basically the 2nd rounds off Winchester's floor. The 1sts are what goes into WinClean boxes. They said they have found some WWB with cracked cases, improperly seated bullets, crimped cases, and upside down primers.

    Anyone care to lay down their experiences with WWB or any facts about it?

    Seems like another "Walmart gets the factory seconds shit" to me. (see Rem 870 threads)
     
  2. Ford4Life

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    It's bullshit, like most things countertop commandos spout off at gun shops. Have shot many thousands of rounds of it, never had more than a handful of problems. I've seen premium defensive ammo have setback right of the box to, no product is going to be flawless 100% of the time.
     
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    I call bullshit also. I've fired several thousands of WWB 9MM and i havent had a single round that caused a problem.

    A couple of stovepipes and malfunctions from user error from my friends limp wristing and shit, but that's not hte ammo's fault.
     
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    I too have shot thousands & thousands of rounds of 9mm / 45acp WWB. never had an issue.

    Gunshops wonder why people don't believe them, it's because of the shit they spout off.

    And I've shot a few boxes of winclean. It's nice stuff, but too expensive for my normal range outings.

    Winclean & WWB are two entirely different animals from what I understand, not just a difference of passing QC or being "factory seconds"

    http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/handgun.aspx

    3rd item from the bottom is winclean, bottom item is "usa" which is (as I understand) WWB.

    Click on them, see the differences...or:

     
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    Like I've said before, getting gun advise from a gun shop commando is like getting advise about cars from a used car salesman. They know enough to get around a gun/car, but 95% are no were near as "knowledgeable" as "they" think they are.

    I would take anything they say with a .001 grain of Titegroup.
     
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    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    I've had more problems with reming UMC than WWB (and those were with 357 mag having no indentation above the rim and a rim that was too wide and thick to close a revolver)
     
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  8. Admitted

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    What is non-value pack? When I saw WWB, I am talking about the $19.97 100 round box from wally world.
     
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    There's a 50 rnd white box that is thinner and smaller. It's not technically called the "non-value pack," but you get the idea.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the value packs are just loose ammo in the box. They have the red "value" logo on them.

    The non-value packs are 50 pcs (45acp at least) and come with the ammo in a styrafoam insert holding the ammo.
     
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    Just a thought, but I'm guessing the shop you were in doesn't sell the White Box ammo?

    Guy in a local shop I went to buy some White Box said they don't stock it because WalMart buys the stuff in huge quantities (likely at negotiated pricing). Another local I spoke with said he doesn't stock or trade with guns that WalMart sells because it wasn't worth it to try and compete in the market with WalMart.

    As I recall the WinClean brass is stamped as WinClean.
     
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    The last couple value packs of .40s&w I had actually came with styrofoam in them so I :dunno:

    I only had one bad cartridge in all the WWB I have shot, which were mostly all value packs. I found one 9mm round with a split casing. And I have put a ton of it down range.
     
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    never had an issue w/ wwb.
     
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    I've been firing WWB for years, and had one bullet that had a deformed case. So that's a 1 in maybe 5000 error or better. That's pretty damn good in my book.
     
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    Except for the price doubling within the past 3 years, I've had no problems shooting the 100rnd bulk packs, and can't recall a single failure. It's fed well in all my guns and it's not too dirty compared to wolf or silverbear for example. I've got about 1200 rnds of 9mm surplus. some of those boxes are still when it was $10.88 :wtc:
     
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    ill buy it for $16/100

    :o
     
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    They've had to sell at least a billion rounds of WWB so far, that's a lot of seconds.
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    The one bad round of WWB I'm come across after nearly 10,000 rounds:

    [​IMG]

    Given that ~33% of the time I get one extra round per box (and only once had a box with 99 rounds in it), I'm not sure I can complain about one bad round. But I'm sort of OCD about WWB ammo and hand-sort it into some 50rd UMC boxes/trays I keep recycling due to their convenient size and hollows in the foam of my pistol case for said boxes.
     
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    you're the same idiot who said that Walmart's shotguns are "seconds"

    wow. unbelievable that you would actually believe that moron.
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    never had a prob with WWB :wavey:
     
  21. Admitted

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    I asked about it, not stating anything as fact.:ugh: Reading comprehension skills > you.
     
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    So the 50 rd boxes are completely different ammo then the 100rd value packs?

    I didn't know that.... Is S&B making the value pack stuff primarily now? I've never had any problems out of any of it (pretty much all I shoot in 9mm), but wasn't aware the difference in manufacturers. I haven't noticed a POI change between the box sizes, so I assume they are loading to the same specs?
     
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    Wow, that round is in pretty bad shape.

    I sort through my WWB too. Actualy, I sort through all my ammo, even the bulk .22lr.
     
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    I had one that looked exactly like that, here it is

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hmmm... I hadn't heard any of that. I don't shoot much 45 anymore, but still have a small stockpile of WWB for it; I'll have to look at it.

    'ppreciate the looking out.
     

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