The truth about women revealed

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  1. Chip Chipperson

    Chip Chipperson New Member

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    Hey boys, this post has been floating around the seduction communities for several years now - it's of apocryphal origins but for those of you "nice guys" and otherwise just-starting-out guys who don't unerstand women and sexual attraction, here it is. I think I read it a few years back and didn't really get it, so you might experience that as well. This covers A LOT of topics and provides a VERY GOOD foundation of knowledge. I hope it shakes some of you guys out of your heads and leads you to become the men you want to be.



    === The truth about women revealed ===

    I wasn't a sexist before I understood women. There was a time when I was blissfully ignorant. I grew up watching Disney cartoons, I believed in romance and "true love conquers all" etc. I wanted to find a woman who could be my equal, my partner. I believed in finding that one true love and being committed to each other forever. You know, like in the marriage vows, "for better or for worse, through sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer" etc. And I believed that women basically wanted the same thing. Now I understand that this was only possible when society was structured to enforce it. Now that women are "liberated" (and thus at the mercy of their own emotions and baser instincts) this is mostly no longer possible in today's society. Victorian society, or many Arab societies, are examples of how society used to be structured to keep women as faithful as possible.

    I'd like to point out that I am not a misogynist...I love women. But I AM a sexist, in the sense that I believe women are vastly different than men and, according to the standards that men hold for other men, women are inferior as well.

    I must be a bitter loser, right? In fact, I enjoy more success with women than most of the men in this city. I have slept with over 200 women in my life. I am sleeping with 5 different women right now. They are all normal, healthy, well-adjusted, good-looking (8+ on the looks scale) professional women. (At least as normal and healthy and well-adjusted as women can be - most women have issues.) But that's not all. I can go out any night of the week and pick up a woman. I can pick her up in front of all her friends (with 80% efficiency for each approach.) Women will slip me their phone number when their boyfriend is in the bathroom. I can talk to women on the street or in the grocery store and within 30 minutes, I can usually have sex with them right there in my car or get them back to my place. If I have to settle for a phone number, and I meet her on another day, assuming she doesn't flake, I WILL fuck her that next day.

    Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn't change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I fuck her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won't feel guilty when I fuck her because now it's "my fault." Sometimes she hides it from me until after I've fucked her, then she admits it. I can't tell you how many times I've been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she's on the phone with her man, giving him some bullshit story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most - loyalty - is just not there with women. Women don't think in terms of honor, women don't say "word is bond;" women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That's why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.

    I must be really good looking, right? NOPE. My looks are marginal; I'm maybe a 7. I don't work out (though I'm not fat or anything.) In fact I didn't have any success with women until I was in my early 20's. That's when I decided to go out a lot and start trying to get laid... I was willing to face rejection a thousand times a night, and do it over and over, trying everything, until I got it right. I had to completely set my ego aside. I didn't get laid at all for the first few months. Then every now and then. Then pretty often. Then downright consistently! I'm in my early 30's now and I am basically a sexual god. I wouldn't have even believed this were possible when I was in high school. The ONLY factor that determined whether a woman would cheat was my own skill level. When my skills were poor, women shit all over me. (Everyone knows how women think they have license to be rude bitches in social situations... in fact I understand and appreciate that behavior now.) But once my skills got good, I could fuck just about anyone's wife or girlfriend. And many times I didn't know they had a man until after I fucked them.

    Look, I'm not saying that men are perfect, or whatever. Far from it. I'm just saying, I've spent a lot of my time studying women and interacting with them, and I know how they are. In fact, sometimes I hate knowing it. Sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit hole, because now there's really no going back. I didn't want to believe these things... but how could I ever get married now? How could I ever be the chump who pays for everything and blissfully goes through life not worrying about his woman because he trusts her? Look, would you leave your dog alone with a steak? You can't hate the dog for doing what's in its nature. You can't trust a dog, BUT you can trust a dog to BE a dog. Some men are disloyal... but I could *never* trust a woman to be loyal. Some men are bad presidents...but I could *never* vote for a woman to be president. I can rarely expect a woman to regard her own promises as more important and compelling to her than the emotions she feels in the moment. She will rationalize it to herself later.

    Here's an interesting fact. Did you know that the median 22 year old woman has TWICE as much sex as the median 22 year old man? You might ask, how is that possible? If a woman's having sex, doesn't that mean a man is having sex at the same time? And thus, shouldn't men be having just as much sex as women? NO...because most men hardly get laid, or if they do, it's because they "got lucky." But a small group of men get laid ALL THE TIME, and fuck LOTS AND LOTS of women! It's evolution at work. Women follow their emotions, and that leads them to sleep with men like me (who know how to control female emotions.) Women want the top man...so the top man fucks lots of women. That's right - the sexual revolution, feminism, etc has resulted in a return to harems. Women, at the mercy of their own emotions, are volunteering for the modern-day equivalent of harems. Lucky for me!! Heh.

    You might say, "But...but...I'm so nice! I'm a nice guy!" Guess what? That's like a fat chick saying, "But I'm so smart!" As if those things have anything in the world to do with sexual attraction!

    I'm going to give some tips here for the poor sucker guys who are posting online trying to get laid and who are spending hundreds / thousands of dollars on all those whores out there without getting any play. (You bitches know exactly what you're doing, and I'm on to your game!)

    * Don't be sexually judgemental in any way. A woman's worst fear is to be perceived as a slut. She will suck your toes and take it in the ass if she thinks you don't view her poorly for it (and she knows her friends won't find out.)

    * Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself.

    * Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead.

    * When first approaching a woman or a group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second.

    * DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.

    * Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!)

    * To get a woman attracted / emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease her. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that.

    * As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask you if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's right...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin.

    * She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know nothing about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's fucked up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect.

    * Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know.

    * Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. Take her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better.

    * Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bullshit generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.

    * Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.

    * BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULLSHIT. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bullshit or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bullshit when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bullshit, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!


    * One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.


    If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to fuck them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women bitching about how men are assholes that only want to fuck them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.

    Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their shit. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will cheat on him with an exciting fun guy like me. (But who wants to fuck some old chick in her 30's? That's what beta males are for! Heh)

    Hey, don't blame me - I didn't make things the way they are. I was just a guy who wanted to get laid. And I do :)
     
  2. fcheerleader

    fcheerleader New Member

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    A lot of that should be known already if you talked to women on a semi regular basis
     
  3. NCS

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    this is an excellent summary of points. i wont get into details but so much of it is dead on that its not worth picking at the slightly flawed parts
     
  4. Jackie Treehorn

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    Certainly some significant points, but the guy doesn't seem like the "Ideal man". Laying a lot of woman sounds good on paper, but is it really that fulfilling after a while? Or is that just the afc in me talking :o I also have a hard time believing every woman out there, relationship or not will cheat with a guy like this if he does the right things. Is that a naive thought?
     
  5. Falconer

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    I have to go teach a class but ifl to read this when I get a chance later today.
     
  6. nish81

    nish81 OT Supporter

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    My question is, once you start to act this way, is it possible for you to 'go back'? Like, can you go back to acting the way you were before?

    And, is there any reason that you'd want to go back? Does this have any bad effects?
     
  7. NCS

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    go back to acting a certain way? sure. go back to believing a certain thing? no.

    would i want to? no. should anyone? well ignorance is bliss.... but knowledge is power lol. or something.
     
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  8. Hey, hey, he's just 15. Break it to him slowly.

    You can retrain yourself, you don't want to go back to acting as you were before. Would I want to go back, hell fucking no. Should anyone, not if they are of sane minds. Ignorance is bliss, but being knowledgeable makes a world of difference.
     
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    Are you a TA or something?
     
  10. When's the gangbang?
     
  11. NCS

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    man i would have killed to have this kind of information at my fingertips when i was a teenager.
     
  12. Yail Bloor

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    Thanks for posting this.

    I read it awhile back and didn't save it.

    Like the author, I really hate that most women are not loyal.

    I was in the mall with my family recently, sitting on a bench. A woman inside the store I was facing noticed me and moved where I could check her out.

    Then when she left the store arm-in-arm with her boyfriend or husband, she looked me right in the eyes and "gave me a look."

    There is no doubt that she wanted me.

    As a married man, this is troubling because I believe that its in a woman's nature to get swept up by a man's advances and not be able to control her emotions and end up sleeping with someone other than her partner.
     
  13. NCS

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    i get that from time to time also.

    when buddies of mine get serious with gfs, ill spend 5 minutes teasing them to see how they react and gauge how trustworthy they are

    guys do not forget, there are ALWAYS exceptions. there ARE good girls out there, but their nature is described above. our brain is what makes us better than just our animal nature.

    here is a more advanced concept for you guys who are into all this social interaction/pick up/seduction stuff (about cheating). there are many ways to measure how into you a woman is. there's attraction, there's rapport, but there is also investment (credit: mystery). the rest of this is my personal theory so take it as you like.

    all of it summed up means a whole-fucking-lot. any guy can come along and get attraction, and some will get rapport too, but you are the one she'll stick to because of what she's invested in you -- if she's a "healthy" person. it is also your job to keep up attraction and rapport throughout the relationship so the scales arent tipped easily in someone else's favor.

    lets take a VERY hypothetical, example purpose only, 1-10 standpoint. lets say that you took the frame of a 10 during your pickup and early relationship. in other words you were a real man. you just got 10 on the attraction scale. lets say you and her mesh pretty well and you got an 7 on the rapport scale. then lets say that you've spent a few months together and she puts in some solid time to you, you got a 7 on investment. thats 24 points.

    example 1-

    now lets say some dude wants your girl and he comes along with a rock solid game and gets 10 attraction 10 rapport. he still only has 20 points, you are the better catch.

    example 2-

    lets say you've been flaking in your relationship, being a slob, and so on. your attraction has gone down to a 6 in her eyes. you've been spending less time and she feels less close to you, rapport is at a 4. investment stays the same. you've got 17 points, but mr. cool trying to get your chick, at 20 points, is now a BETTER catch in her eyes.

    example 3-

    lets go back to your previous 24 points. if there is someone in her workplace with as solid game as you, he can slowly get her to invest more and more due to long interaction over the course of months. when he scores more points than you, he's in, you're out.

    this is an extremely rough theory but i think you guys see the truth in it.
     
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  14. Falconer

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    I'm a corporate trainer. I teach people at my company to use .NET systems. I check OT when I send my class on break, like right now. lol. Ok gotta run.
     
  15. moses

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    jesus, this makes me feel uneasy in the pit of my stomach. you grow up thinking that all you want is to be happy and have a partner to be happy with.. and women behave like this?? fuck.
     
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    Not everyone wants to be a male slut.
     
  17. StopDrop&LOL

    StopDrop&LOL "Where The Elite Become Champions"

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    Good info. I needed to read that to kick me in the ass and wake me up.
     
  18. XaPU!M

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    But so do men, yesterday I was at a bar for wings with friends, and this fucking amazingly beautiful girl walks buy and my friend who is standing there with his gf checks her out and starts walking towards her to chat her up/flirt - his gf punched him in the arm and brought him into reality. IMO monogamous relationships are forced onto us via society and homo-sapiens aren't necessarily meant to be monogamous - we are animals after all. And unfortunately, society tries to repress our animal tendencies as much as possible - but that point is for a completely different thread all together.

    Like look at Yail, the guy still hones his pick up skills (and I assume doesn't follow through), and yet he is married. (Not saying this is wrong Yail)
     
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    StopDrop&LOL "Where The Elite Become Champions"

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    You're right. Thats why not every man has success with women. Its just not in them. Those are the beta males (nice guys) who are content with their self.
     
  20. Falconer

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    That's awesome. I need a friend like that.
     
  21. Falconer

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    Are you saying that men who don't want to be sluts are beta?
     
  22. StopDrop&LOL

    StopDrop&LOL "Where The Elite Become Champions"

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    Whats funny is...i made a thread the other day in the OT forum titled "Do you ever see yourself getting married?"

    When i was younger, i did see myself getting married. I always dreamed of finding that perfect girl- nice, loving, caring, trustworthy. But, as i got older, my views began to change. Now i dont see myself setteling down with a woman, simply because i cant trust them. I hope im wrong, and one day i do meet a sweet girl, but im not counting on it nor am i going to make the same mistakes i made in the past.

    Ive come to the same realization as to whoever wrote that article. Women cant be trusted (not all, but majority) and thats the foundation of a marriage.

    What i find odd is foreign women tend to value mariage and their man more.
     
  23. Falconer

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    btw, this thread increases my cynicism and makes a case for password stealing, espionage, and, as NCS said, having people hit on your woman to see how she acts.

    Is it shady? Hell yes. But it's better than marrying a whore.
     
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    More often than not, yes.
     
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    I kinda do that with women i meet. If i know they have a BF, and they'tr interested in me, i will test the waters to see how far they will go. If they cheat on their BFs with me, i usually just view them as a hookup and thats it. If they dont, i show them a little more respect.
     

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